Thursday, October 20, 2011

Spınal Tap


Last night I had a spinal tap in Berlin.

Y'know, it didn't actually hurt that bad. I'd heard the people that made the movie This is Spınal Tap picked the name because it was supposed to be the most painful medical procedure. Apparently the fictional band said they wanted a name that represented dominance and pain. And when a doctor gives you a spinal tap he's dominating you and causing you pain.

It hurt. But it was only a little worse than the usual jabs you get from doctors. If you want to know more about what a spinal tap is go here.

The reason I had my spine tapped is because that illness I told you about last time just kept getting worse. The main symptom was a massive headache. My friend Jan took me to the local emergency room. He said that I should expect to wait there for four or five hours. Luckily it was a slow day and we got in within a few minutes.

They drew some blood and saw that I had a "massive infection." They kept repeating this diagnosis throughout the evening. I want to call my next band Massive Infection.

Since the only symptoms I had were a headache and fever, the doctor was extremely concerned I might have meningitis. Oh dear! I kept thinking, "second rate Buddhist author Brad Warner, who was never nearly as good as Deepak Chopra or Eckhart Tolle, died in Berlin of meningitis during a largely unsuccessful tour of Europe."* That's just what I need as an obituary. "Warner was known mostly for making fun of much more important Buddhist masters by using a sock monkey."

Anyway, the spinal tap showed no signs of meningitis. And I am not paraplegic, which was one of the risks of the procedure listed on the form I had to sign before it was done. So that's good news.

The bad news is that I had a buttload of tests. Gosh only knows what that's gonna cost me. They even did a CT scan. And in the end they couldn't determine where the infection was. I suspect it's a bladder infection from my previous stuff and it just wasn't showing up on the tests they gave me. With all this I was in the ER for around eight hours. Mostly waiting.

They wanted me to stay in the hospital for about three days while they did more tests. But I knew I'd never be able to afford that. They gave me the option of taking a general antibiotic. The doc said he was 80-90% sure it would be effective. So I went with that. Now, about 12 hours after taking the first dose, it certainly feels like it's working.

Because of this I had to cancel my appearance at the German Buddhist Union's conference on sexuality. This was a huge disappointment because that was one of the ones I was really looking forward to. But God will not be mocked. And when he says you're not gonna do something you'd best listen.

As for zazen, I gotta tell ya, it's hard to do that shit when you're sick. I've managed to do a bit here and there. Finally this morning I got through a half-hour sit. It's not a miracle cure, but it helps.

I always go with what's most practical. If my body is screaming "lay down!!!" Then I'll skip zazen until things improve. You shouldn't do zazen if your body is crying out for bed rest.

But last night when the intensity of my headache made it impossible to sleep, I got up and did a little zazen. Oddly enough I started getting sleepy! Which was a very good thing. So I went back to bed after a little while.

I'm not a generally sickly person. But this unsettled lifestyle is doing me in. So I will not be touring again like I have been in the past. Maybe this is God's way of forcing me to set up some type of center where people can come to me instead of me always coming to them. I'll still travel. But I'll limit it to single events.

For now, I'm still planning on seeing most of the rest of this tour through. Although I may cancel a few events to try and limit my travel. Those of you who ought to be contacted about this, will be.

Once I'm feeling up to it.

Enjoy some rare Spın̈al Tap I dug up on YouTube:






* Just so you know, I don't think this tour has been unsuccessful at all. I just imagine that's how it might be reported.

62 comments:

Hans Christian Stucken said...

Get well soon!

gee said...

Don't go dissin' the sock monkey...
And get well soon.

jundo cohen said...

Hi Brad,

I hope you feel better soon. We'll dedicate our Saturday Zazenkai to your fast recovery. It may not help a lick, but it sure couldn't hurt.

Oh, and NUMBER 1! (unless you are holding back comments, in what case NUMBER WHATEVER!)

Gassho, Jundo

john e mumbles said...

The Final Tour!?

Anaxagoras didn't mean it, Brad. Come back to America, home of the true hell.

Oh, and don't die yet, okay? Be well.

leoboiko said...

Ouch! 生老病死 is a bitch.

You’re a much needed balancing voice for modern Buddhism, Brad. I hope you get better.

anon #108 said...

Blimey Brad. That all sounds pretty unpleasant. Sorry to hear you're going through it. Please do get well soon.

an3drew said...

i would say the urethea and bladder were traumatized by that intial camera insertion in california and opened the path to a severe infection !

you americans are way too causal about these tests which can have very negative consequences, like some CT scans have radiation doses in the order of 1/10th to 1/20th of what people in hiroshima were exposed too!

i have seen people permanently affected by travel vaccines as well, getting them all done at once !

northamerica said...

Brad,

Hope you get better. Let your fans know how we can help.

E

gniz said...

Jeez, this is a lighthearted post for such a crappy couple of days! Being sick away from home is not fun, and yet you are keeping a good attitude about it.

I've been trying to get you to see the light on e-books, Brad. If you really worked at them, you could definitely make enough to stay in one place and still earn money without resorting to zen lite B.S.

Anyway, take care and feel better.

Anonymous Bob said...

It's no fun being sick anywhere but it's worse being sick the road. On the other hand, your out of pocket hospital bill should be less in Germany than it would be at home if that's any comfort to you.

CAPTCHA : psycogr : I kid you not

Zenleo said...

A real downer to be on the trip, sleeping in other peoples homes and then on top of it all becoming ill. I remember moving out East and living with a friend and his wife, after only a few days it became uncomfortable, I did it again when I lived in Tennessee, never have done it again since. Not having your own space, being sick on a trip and racking up debt... you do need to slow down for awhile.
I do have a question for you though:
The references you are making to "god" is that in relation to your talk about giving "the unknown" a name? I guess it sort of disturbs me because when I hear people reference god it reminds me of Fundamentalist Christians, and I realize that is all in my mind, but still, maybe you could clarify it? I know that we are subject to the whims of existence but I'm not sure I would like to give it a personification. Hope you are all on the mend and have the best day possible.
Cheers

Khru said...

Hope you feel better Brad.

And this is...without a doubt...the worst comment thread I've ever seen on Bradley's blog...

Fred said...

Get well Brad.

" some CT scans have radiation doses in the order of 1/10th to 1/20th of what people in hiroshima were exposed too!"

Sort of what people are getting
near Fukushima. What a mess.

Fred said...

Gudo's Theory:

http://www.dogensangha.org/downloads/Pdf/ANS&Buddhism.PDF

Fred said...

Gudo:

"(2) Stoicism and Buddhism both, leaving idealism and materialism, have their fundamental bases of philosophy on action.
(3) Therefore the insistences of Stoicism and Buddhism are both very moral.
(4) Stoicism reveres a state called "apatheia" as the basis of no emotion, or being moral, so much, but at the same time there is strong possibility that the "apatheia" is the same as "samadhi", which is the balanced state of the autonomic nervous system in Zazen.
(5) In Stoicism a person, who is in the state of "apatheia" is called a sage, and the sage seems to be so similar to an awaked man, who is called Buddha in Buddhism.
(6) A life of the sage is "to live following Nature", and so it is the same as to live following logos, or reason, therefore the life of the sage might be similar to the life of Buddha, who lives his daily life following Dharma, or the Rule of the Universe."

Fred said...

I think that Gudo was demystifying
and deconstructing Zen, and taking
it in a different direction than
the funeral business.

an3drew said...

the trip to europe exposed you to three or four days of severe immune system dysfunction that is part of jet lag and disrupted circadian rhythm!

so i would say it was a combination of the operation which had problems immediately followed the planetrip/jet lag

if this logic is right you should find you get better quite rapidly as the body clock adjusts in europe and also be aware of that vulnerability when you fly back !

it's really quite interesting what the new research is showing on disrupted circadian rhythm like if you do alot of shift work when you are 17 to 20 you have twice the chance of developing MS !

the body is full of phased and synchronised biological clocks governing every function and organ, jet lag and rotating shifts drop a crow bar in the works !

since you seem to be low thyroid a drop of iodine tincture in the mouth might be help !

an3drew said...

"I've been trying to get you to see the light on e-books, Brad."

you have to write alot to make money on e-books, lots of new titles coming out every year like the "paranormal romance" writers do!

there's very little margin on ebooks and amazon and the like take 30%

imoo if you are not eckhart tolle it's too diffcult to make any sort of money teaching zen or that sort of thing and it's better to earn money in other ways

zen's days in the sun have passed !

Uncle Willie said...

To: Zenleo
Re: Your question at 10:54 AM

The supreme personality of godhead is Krishna.

If you have more questions you can find answers at www.krishna.com and in the many fine books available in their online store.

Haribol

Convict said...

No reason why a reference to 'God' should imply personification. It could just as easily refer to the principle of personhood, or even existence itself, surely. That's how I like to understand it.

PA said...

Get better soon, Brad! That all sounds horrible...

But you may start up your own centre? Yeah!! Then maybe I'll come and thank you in person, for writing Hardcore Zen, and getting me to sit.

PA

Mysterion said...

Germany has socialized medicine. It may not cost you a dime (10¢).

Of the 19 industrialized nations, only the USA is barbaric enough to allow profiteering on the (health) miseries of others.

We are a nation of pathetic people - unable to determine our future through the ballot - in part because of bathetic right wingnut radio and tea-baggers.

anoctimous said...

my, my

the rigors of travel sap me when I'm healthy!

It's funny you got to use sitting as a sleep inducer...
Maybe you could market it for insomniacs!

hope those antibiotics do the trick, wishing you speedy recovery and while being male is no fun when catheters are involved, being a woman is a pain when massive antibiotics are taken

make sure you eat yogurt throughout your antibiotics so you can repopulate the good bacteria in your intestinal tract. Antibiotics don't pick and choose, they take everything: it's bacteria? it's out!

Hope you get to watch some silly stuff like 3 stooges to see you on the mend.

hi said...

Sorry about your troubles Mr Warner. I have only recently been introduced to your writings; its like my self speaking to myself. Not sure if i should be worried. Working for an airline I go back and forth between Japan and Germany (sitting in Taichikawa now, Leipzig next week), so I know the score on too much movement, and i think you are right to not over do it in your capacity. But I aint going to Akron. Also last night i went to a japanese grocery and frankly felt what you do in europe; in an effort to save money i attempted to buy the goods for a simple dinner...fatigue is what i ended up eating. BTW i think I sat zazen with the guy who edited your first book, I mean I remember I really sat zazen, but I also remember he was editor for wisdom. I have been tracking your tour but am never there then. Looking fwd to Middle Way though-thanks for your efforts-daniel

John said...

Brad sir,

I know you're wary of people who've never met you building you into a cult figure in their heads. So please don't worry about this coming from some guy who sits in a circle of dollar store candles and smears "Brad Warner is God!!!!!" in menstrual blood on his forehead. But the fact that you can approach your very exhausting situation with any kind of humor at all is bedrock proof that a daily practice makes life better. I am truly grateful that you've made your experience evident through your books and this blog; they convey so much more truth than precious grad school haiku about snow flakes and frog ponds.

Thank you, get well soon

seedsmiles said...

y'know i guess i posted my ucla er spinal tap story on my 'wall' i think--- 8 hrs @ ER, a lumbar puncture as they call it@ ucla
a CT scan, xray of sinuses etc
Nina and Monika were there at ucla westwood w/me... years ago it was> but so memorable>>. & it was beginning of epiphany> yea, migraine & not an aneurism but i shall change whatever i can to avoid this ordeal in future. And I did but the migraines return, but it's ok cause i know what it is....i am betting you had a mega-migraine plus fever due to frazzles of touring cold/flu thing...
reading your account- I feel massive aggreement [my new band] that you set a center and let people come to you
good thing re migraines: each severe one IS a major message but after a few you come to know it's a migraine & horrible& non-fatal but
gotta listen to them
joan didion wrote 4pg essay on migraine- superinsights

on my 8hr er day, nina & monika stood in er private room w/ me. doctor finally walked in w/test results on clipboard. monika up-staged him by quipping: "I'm not a doctor, but I'd say, she's got a headache."
... let yours be some fatigue and a headache and nothing worse-- and migraine is way bad enough...

Doug said...

Yikes, sorry to hear about your emergency room visit. Please get well.

Simon Kahnert said...

Take a rest, Brad.
It's a pitty you could not come to Munich, but every thing has its time.
Get well as soon as possible.

Simon

Seagal Rinpoche said...

A bird does not sing because it has an answer. It sings because it has a song.

Brad Warner said...

Zenleo said:

The references you are making to "god" is that in relation to your talk about giving "the unknown" a name?

That's a good way of putting it.

I like using the word "God" because I feel like saying "the unknown" feels sort of cold and dead. But I don't think the universe is cold and dead. It is very much alive. All of it.

That unknown thing we call "life" may be the basis of the universe.

Contemporary people tend to think that the universe is mostly dead. Here on Earth there is life. But even Earth, people think, is mostly dead.

I don't agree with that image. It doesn't match what I've learned in my practice.

"God" has unfortunate connotations too, though.

Brad Warner said...

Uncle Willie,

You forgot to mention the food! My Sweet Lord, I love Hare Kirshna food!

john e mumbles said...

"When someone asks me whether I believe in God, I simply have no idea what the question means." -Stephen Batchelor, CONFESSIONS OF A BUDDHIST ATHEIST

Uncle Willie, just for fun, read chap 10 of the same book titled Against The Stream for an insightful view of how and why Buddha rejected the concept of "God" the brahmins of his day (and ours) believe(d) in.

Sync said...

Hi Brad,
My wife and me were so looking forward for your talk in Ottobrunn, our hometown. Hope you get better soon!
All the Best,
Markus

phonelessinPDX said...

I'm very sorry to hear of your illness. Way to show discipline by doing zazen while feeling sick. Everytime I leave Zen mentally and come back to it, I kick myself for leaving it in the first place. Your Shut up and Sit Down book is the boomerang that drove me back. Thank you for the refreshing take. I so enjoyed it and will read that book once every 6 months.

Fish said...

"Warner was known mostly for making fun of much more important Buddhist masters by using a sock monkey."

This actually sounds like a pretty great obituary.

Fred said...

Then why not call it Sentient Being
, the Universe, Original Nature,
Original Face, the Ineffable?

Panpsychic Idealism "regards
everything as alive in this sense,
treating all matter as imbued with
spirit. " Guttmann

Dogen had several statements about
an essence of "I"ness alive in
everything.

Fred said...

When we truly enter the mountains,
birds, bugs, beasts and blossoms
radiate supernatural excellence
and take great delight in our presence.

Dogen

Doug said...

I like using the word "God" because I feel like saying "the unknown" feels sort of cold and dead. But I don't think the universe is cold and dead. It is very much alive. All of it.

This is also some of the underpinnings behind Amitabha Buddha and Pure Land Buddhism as well. Shine an isn't my favorite but he had some interesting ideas similar to what you said, Brad.

I know a good article on the differences between the traditional notion of God and Amitabha, and I don't disagree with it. But I also don't want to split hairs either I guess. :-)

Jim said...

Should you decide to "set up some type of center where people can come to me instead of me always coming to them", Northeastern Ohio would welcome you back with open arms!! There's a dearth of Soto Zen teachers here. C'mon, there is still a great underground music scene in Cleveland and Akron, our sports teams all still suck, the weather is just as shitty as when you were a kid, rivers still catch fire (or we could make them catch fire if it would make you feel more at home), Canton still sucks, the West Side and East Side of Cleveland still hate each other, and you can still rent an entire house for under $700/month (shotgun, bullet proof vest, and rottweiler not included). As a matter of fact, if Zen is needed anywhere in the U.S., it's needed here.

We miss you and hope you get well soon.

Mysterion said...

mononucleosis?

symptoms

CAPCHA=boilo

Zenleo said...

There is an unborn, undying, unchanging, uncreated...

Hi Brad and everyone that cares or commented,

This idea of "God" in Buddhism first came up years ago from Master Jiyu-Kennett of Shasta Abbey. I use to order cassettes of her lectures (this is long before the internet) But guess what? They are available online for free now:
http://www.shastaabbey.org/teachings-RMjiyu.html

It is the Lecture at a Catholic Retreat Center and you can listen to it right in your browser and it hits the topic of "God" in "Soto Zen" with quotes from The Buddha to start and she is quite entertaining to listen to. It is so on topic with this discussion and it's worth listening to...IMHO

...now bring on the Hare Krishna Food!

Cheers

PS: someone has to explain HTML tags to me so I can do these links better.

Zenleo said...

... At least listen to the first few minutes of Rev. Master Jiyu Kennett Lecture at a Catholic Retreat Center, I forgot what a great speaker she is. I still have the old tapes from the early 1980's, thanks for this message string everyone, it caused me to search for this stuff I remembered from so long ago.

Also Mr Mumbles I have that Stephen Batchelor book and its a good quote but really no answer at all (Maybe that's the point?) I guess I am someone between The Universe as cold and impersonal and what Brad is suggesting. Jiyu puts it very well in her dharma talk.

Cheers

Mysterion said...

"much more important Buddhist masters..."

LOL

Suzuki-roshi (Wattsism) a.k.a. Rev. Suzuki called himself "the little Suzuki" because D. T. Suzuki was, in his eyes, the "big" Suzuki.

"REV. SUZUKI VS ROSHI
When I first joined the Los Altos group in 1965, I was told it was correct to address our teacher as "Rev. Suzuki" or "Sensei." Apparently this was the practice at Sokoji and Zen Center in San Francisco. During the winter of 1966, Rev. Suzuki attended a weekend Alan Watts seminar with us. Alan was horrified to hear the term "Rev. Suzuki," and told me, in no uncertain terms, that this was an uneducated and vulgar usage of the English term, "The Reverend." I felt that it was not my place to question the decisions of Zen Center and Sokoji.

Later on in the year, Marian told us that Alan wrote a long and detailed letter to Zen Center on the matter. He suggested that we adopt the term Suzuki Roshi, and reserve the term "Sensei" for assistant priests. A vote was taken and Alan's suggestions were approved.

Suzuki Roshi was away at the time, traveling in Japan. When he returned to Los Altos, he asked us why we were all calling him "Roshi." We told him of Alan's letter to Zen Center and how a vote was taken at the last business meeting. We said that we were supposed to call him "Roshi" from here on. I do not remember a time when Roshi laughed harder or longer. He said it was all right, and then he went off into gales of laughter again."
source

Mysterion said...

Japanese temple Buddhism: worldliness in a religion of renunciation

By Stephen Grover Covell

A decent read about what really went on in Japanese Buddhist Temples.

Yes, it discusses the "S" word.

an3drew said...

basically the circadian rhythm is synchronised by white and blue light through receptors in the retina

the more brown the light is the less it has this effect and in fact you can use red light to work under and and the eye won't think it's daylight, but rather dark from a circadian rhythm point of view !

all the newest research is showing if you mess the circadian rhythm you mess the brain, immune system and health VERY VERY seriously !

there's quite abit you can do to improve sleep quality through diets and supplements which i have written up on

my web page server is a bit slow loading at the moment !

an3drew said...

overcast days have a lower absolute level of blue light but a relatively higher proportion of blue compared to other wavelengths than clear sky days!


in other words you still get very good circadian rhythm synchronisation from overcast daylight, provided the light is not too dull !

Anastasia said...

Lots of foods with garlic and ginger, and miso soup made without katsuobushi and made instead with kombu and shiitake will put yo' ass back on the road to health. These all act as antibiotics, too. Try to get some milk-free acidophilus down the hatch, as well. And for the goddamn last time, please get well already. :D

Uncle Willie said...

"When someone asks me whether I believe in God, I simply have no idea what the question means." -Stephen Batchelor

Mr. Mumbles,
That quote seems very pedantic to me in the sense that if Stephen Batchelor described something as "red" I could say that I "simply have no idea what that means" since his subjective concept of "red" could be very different from my subjective experience of "red". I believe that he understands what the question means but by pleading ignorance he encourages the questioner to examine their own understanding, otherwise known as "using skillful means". We all operate from subjective models of reality and should try to remain aware of that. We often have to resort to metaphors to describe our experiences and perceptions and should be careful not to take the metaphors of others, or our own, too literally because all metaphors fall apart when examined too closely.
I mostly agree with Brad when he said "I don't think the universe is cold and dead. It is very much alive. All of it." However, I would specify that "the difference" between a living, conscious human being and the inert, mechanistic universe "seems less" to me than to most people. Whether the universe "is actually" more alive and conscious than it might appear or people "are actually" more inert and mechanistic than they appear probably depends on how one sees the legendary half full/half empty glass of water. I like the metaphors of the universe as the "play of Krishna" and the "dance of Shiva" and I sometimes see it in those ways but I also recognize those as models of reality and not "reality itself".
I want to thank you for posting a link to a Robert Anton Wilson documentary a few months ago (I believe you did that, but I could be mistaken). I had never heard of him before and have since read most of his books along with some other authors that he referenced. You might detect in this comment the significant influence that has had on my thinking.
Finally, Mr. Mumbles, I enjoy your comments and those of Anon #108 more than most of the others, so please, continue to comment as often as possible.

Fred said...

It is not necessary to look outside
yourself for the unborn and undead.
Why give it a name like God? The
word God is fixed in our
conditioned self and evokes the
past. The word God is used by
those in the act of killing to
justify their actions. The Unborn
and the Undead is the true Action.

Benno said...

Hi Brad,
that's life. I 'm reading your messages for a few months. Let me tell you my story in this time. In May I thought I would like to visit your retreat in Benediktushof/Holzkirchen. But I thought my Englisch would be to bad. So I tried to fresh up my knowledge of Englisch by listening Leanning CD and reading Englisch books and other things.
In July I told my wife from my plan. She anwered that it is not possible, becaus we booked a weekend in Hamburg this time. I had to accept this, a little bit angrily.
Then I heard from your illness that forced you to go in hospital. Your retreat was cancelled. So what.
That 's life. Life is what happens, while you thinking about it.
Get well soon,
Benno

karen said...

Brad
big fan of yours . read all your books. And ardent follower of your blog. you need to take care of your health. your european bill wont be as bad as a shock as an american healthcare one. If your father lives in flower mound texas, you need to recoup there, and honor those of us in the DFW area with a visit

Mysterion said...

The Universe is cold and impersonal - but it is aware of itself.
(Amit Goswami)

the interview

the YouTube

The Higgs Field turns ideas into matter.

Brad Warner said...

Benno! Sorry for our missed connections!

alfayate said...

Hope you get well soon! Your posts are very much appreciated ;) but even if you decided to quit blogging forever, please, keep your health.

Best wishes and a hug.

Uncle Willie said...

Mysterion said...
The Universe is cold and impersonal - but it is aware of itself. Amit Goswami)

The universe may seem cold and impersonal to cold and impersonal people who lack awareness of themselves and don't understand the concept of "projection".

mekong46 said...

Jeeze, get well Warner please. All this poking can't feel good. Thank you for Spinal Tap clips! I laughed, hope you did! A benchmark in our cultural history. Hope you're repairing. If you begin to feel down, just give a moments thought to the "Little Children of Stonehenge."
Special powers. They go to 11.

Mysterion said...

Why god lets bad things happen to good people -- he is cold and impersonal.

The cosmic awareness is a composite of all salient beings - here and elsewhere.

Most are so involved with the micro-cosmos within their own micro-cosmos (e.g. where to find the next meal--self) that there is no thought of "other." I think that, in this case, the majority rules [as god].

that is my opinion

john e mumbles said...

Hey Uncle Willie, I think my whole spiritual thing can be summed up like this:

I don't know.

Maybe that's technically an agnostic stance as it relates to a concept of "God." I don't know about that either!

I found Batchelor's CONFESSIONS to be an honest, straightforward account of someone really REALLY trying to figure out what the hell it all means. Or doesn't mean. I don't know.

That chapter I pointed to helped me re-evaluate alot of my own ideas about Hinduism, that's why I mentioned it. Many years ago I explored and practiced bhakti, then later became a hardcore Shaivite, and most recently explored the path of jnana ala Nisargadatta Maharaj (whose writings I wholeheartedly recommend; I AM THAT is available somewhere in its entirety online) before reducing the whole thing practice-wise to shikantaza the past few years (although I am now doing vipassana and loving it). So I can dig what you are laying down, brother. And I respect it. My Sufi teacher asked only one thing of me once upon a time: to "honor all paths." And I do. Including yours, and Brad's, and Buddhist atheists like Stephen Batchelor...

The "Shotgun Approach" ...for more see my Buddhist Geeks essay from awhile back here:

http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/04/the-shotgun-approach-2/

And may peace be upon you.
(P.S. Very glad the Robert Anton Wilson thing I linked led you to explore more of his stuff).

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