Wednesday, January 19, 2011

PODCAST, BASS COVERS and BUMFUCK, EGYPT


There's a new podcast up called No Time to Kill. It insults Wisdom publications! I'm sorry about that, Josh. It comes off less funny and seems more truly angry than it was intended to. I wasn't angry. But you guys should have put the book out. It's true.

And speaking of wasting time, lately I've been wasting a lot of time doing my own version of Guitar Hero. I've discovered that if you go on YouTube and type in the name of some song you like plus the words "bass cover," you will find tons of guys who have taped themselves in their bedrooms playing that song on the bass. By watching these, one can learn the bass lines of these songs!

So far I have learned the following songs by KISS: Christine Sixteen, Love Gun, She, Strutter, Deuce, Detroit Rock City, Black Diamond, Rock and Roll All Night and Sure Know Something. Plus Lady Madonna by the Beatles, Substitute by the Who, Beat It by Michael Jackson and most of Money by Pink Floyd. Phew!

Zero Defex is playing a gig on February 9th at the Matinee in Akron, Ohio. Every time we have a gig, which lately has been about once a year, I get serious about the bass again and start practicing like crazy. It's not that the Zero Defex bass parts are that tough, except for the one from By The Day. It's just that I feel like I ought be really good before I get out on stage in front of people.

And speaking of really good, here's one thing I'm not really good at. I've been trying to catch up with some of the emails people send. I'm just getting to ones from October. I'm sorry I'm so lousy at this! But it just takes up so much time. I can't give a half-assed answer. If you receive a one-liner from me, you can trust that it's probably the distillation of a few paragraphs. Ugh.

Still the #1 most frequently asked question is, "I live in Bumfuck, Egypt, how can I find a Zen teacher?"

I wish I knew. I think one thing is that you probably don't need a teacher that urgently. Secondly, you probably don't need me to be your teacher as much as you think you do (often writers of this question seem to imply they want me to teach them). You can relax about it a little. Just do your home practice by yourself for a while and see if anyone groovy turns up in your life.

A number of people want me to be their long-distance on-line teacher. But I'm still working in emails I received three months ago! I'm really not reliable as anyone's on-line Zen teacher.

I have a problem with the on-line Zen teachers I've seen. Some of the on-line forums I've checked out are packed with dubious "Masters" spouting dogma that sounds like the worst forms of authoritarian religion. But, I'll admit I have not checked out this world very thoroughly because I'd rather be writing a book or learning new bass parts.

I know a bunch of commenters are gonna think I'm taking digs at someone specific (if you must know, the one that grinds me most is e-Sangha). But really, the on-line option is one that lots of people who send this question seem to want me to endorse. I'm trying to say why I still have serious reservations about it. I can't do that without saying why I still have serious reservations about it.

A couple people have recommended I go into on-line teaching and charge for Skype chats and suchlike with students. A guy I know argued very rationally that I would not be charging for the dharma but for my time. People who go to in-the-flesh teachers usually donate to their centers, so why shouldn't people who get Skype chat time with a well-known teacher contribute some dana? But I just don't know. It feels weird.

Plus I feel like it's not the proper way to meet a teacher. One of the other problems I have with on-line Zen is the celebrity aspect. Instead of going to the Zen teacher down the street, you can pick out a more famous guy on line. I know for certain this happens because I've watched it happen. It's not all shut-ins and people in the boondocks who inhabit the on-line sanghas. It's often people who live right near a Zen center but like the on-line guy better.

Too much choice and too much convenience in this kind of thing just seems somehow off to me.

I'm not saying I'll never do it. Especially since hardly anyone seems to be hitting my little donation button anymore. But I am still not convinced it can be done in a way that is truly ethical.

147 comments:

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

hey i wrote my email around october, maybe there's still hope you will reply and indulge me my absurd questions about your opinion on the Tao Te Ching! but i jest, no one is passing judgement that you can't reply to everyone individually, thanks for updating your blog so frequently these past coupla months, looking forward to fundamental wisdom. - Patrick NZ

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Anonymous said...

I don't like the on-line zen guy better.
Seems to me the on-line stuff is still 'experimental' if you will.
I really don't know what to think of it. Am old school and prefer analog watches, and a teacher I can meet in person.
Even if that teacher doesn't respond to e-mails.
On line folks bristle when others state a preference for the old way.
They vehemently argue that on line is the same.
I don't know, because I haven't tried it and am not interested in trying it. Maybe someday I will. You never know.
It is an interesting idea (on line zen center). As an experiment, I think it is too early to tell much of anything.

Glad you are immersing yourself in music. Are you writing any songs?
Would you consider an on line sing-along sangha where folks can get on skype and jam with you?

Tsk tsk said...

I know a bunch of commenters are gonna think I'm taking digs at someone specific (if you must know, the one that grinds me most is e-Sangha).

What a bunch of bullshit! Of course we know who you're taking digs at. And IMHO, rightly so! But please don't play naive and act as if you didn't know that e-Sangha has been offline for several years now.

Anonymous said...

"Would you consider an on line sing-along sangha where folks can get on skype and jam with you?"

This would be earth shattering Brad... come on

Anonymous said...

Brad,

have you considered getting a Flattr account set up next to the donation button?

Harry said...

Hi Brad,

Have you discovered the wonderful world of tabs?

http://www.bigbasstabs.com/

Regards,

Harry.

Harry said...

... bass tabs that is, not acid etc.

anon #108 said...

Tsk Tsk wrote:

"...But please don't play naive and act as if you didn't know that e-Sangha has been offline for several years now."

E-Sangha has been offline for a little over a year (Since Oct 2009).

Al said...

Brad,

That is ironic. I just procured a copy of that manuscript from Tonen. It is REALLY good.

Al

OsamaVanHalen said...

I went to Mapquest.com and searched for Bumfuck, Egypt and it displayed Quality Fuel Oil and Trucking, 359 S. 7th Avenue, Mount Vernon, NY 10550. So now I know that I live about 64 miles from Bumfuck, Egypt. Thank you, Brad, and thank you, Mapquest.

robert said...

at the moment you are the closest thing to a teacher I have. I'm stuck in tyler texass and there isn't an option for me here. I think a skype chat would be amazing. for now I just keep reading your books over and over and over :)

Seagal Rinpoche said...

Therefore, be ye lamps unto yourselves, be a refuge to yourselves. Hold fast to truth as a lamp; hold fast to the truth as a refuge. Look not for a refuge in anyone beside yourselves. And those, who shall be a lamp unto themselves, shall betake themselves to no external refuge, but holding fast to the truth as their lamp, and holding fast to the truth as their refuge, they shall reach the topmost height.

Anonymous Know-nothing said...

"at the moment you are the closest thing to a teacher I have. I'm stuck in tyler texass and there isn't an option for me here."

No offense, but you're almost certainly being lazy and hoping for some random online guy to "rescue" you. Dallas is all of 95 miles away, tops. If you take some initiative for yourself and get off your lazy, self-pitying ass, you'll find what you need close to home. Get over yourself and your big "problems" of being "stuck" in Tyler.

Anonymous said...

"To spend time is to pass it in a specified manner. To waste time is to expend it thoughtlessly or carelessly. We all have time to spend or waste, and it is our decision what to do with it. But once passed, it is gone forever."
Bruce Lee

"Time means a lot to me because, you see, i, too, am also a learner and am often lost in the joy of forever developing and simplifying. If you love life, don't waste time, for time is what life is made up of." Bruce Lee

"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." Annie Dillard

"Dost thou love life? Then waste not time; for time is the stuff that life is made of."
Benjamin Franklin

Anonymous said...

"To spend time is to pass it in a specified manner. To waste time is to expend it thoughtlessly or carelessly. We all have time to spend or waste, and it is our decision what to do with it. But once passed, it is gone forever."
Bruce Lee

"Time means a lot to me because, you see, i, too, am also a learner and am often lost in the joy of forever developing and simplifying. If you love life, don't waste time, for time is what life is made up of." Bruce Lee

"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." Annie Dillard

"Dost thou love life? Then waste not time; for time is the stuff that life is made of."
Benjamin Franklin

Anonymous said...

Hekiganroku case 39 "If you want to know about Buddha Nature, you must pay attention to time and causation."

Dogen's Time Being (Uji) 1 through 5
By Zoketsu Norman Fischer | August 19, 2009
In topic: Dogen
Summary: Norman's first on talk on Dogen's "Uji" or "Time Being" from his classical work "Shobogenzo".

http://www.everydayzen.org/index.php?Itemid=26&option=com_teaching&sort=title&task=viewTeaching&id=text-813-222

What Time Is It? May 21, 2010 Famed screenwriter Charlie Kaufman and theoretical physicist Brian Greene dissect time as we know it. What is the smallest unit of time, and what does it look like? For starters, you should stop looking at the clock, and start looking at the universe.
http://www.nyas.org/WhatWeDo/SciencetheCity.aspx

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Forty-First Case
Joju's "Man of Great Death"

Joju asked T'ou Tzu, "When a man of great death returns to life, how is it?"
T'ou Tzu said, "Going by night is not permitted. You must arrive in daylight."



Eternal Return (why Christians don't really want to "live forever")
FF: The Philosophy of Nietzsche - Joseph Brisendine
http://www.blubrry.com/atheism/94364/ff-the-philosophy-of-nietzsche-joseph-brisendine/

Artist: McGraw Tim
Song: Live Like You Were Dying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiOcW_YR1G8

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WHAT SCIENTIFIC CONCEPT WOULD IMPROVE EVERYBODY'S COGNITIVE TOOLKIT?

We are Lost in Thought

http://www.edge.org/q2011/q11_12.html#harriss

robert said...

No offense, but you're almost certainly being lazy and hoping for some random online guy to "rescue" you. Dallas is all of 95 miles away, tops. If you take some initiative for yourself and get off your lazy, self-pitying ass, you'll find what you need close to home. Get over yourself and your big "problems" of being "stuck" in Tyler.

actually I do take offence. I am disabled (meaning I live on a mere $700 a month) with no personal transportation, so the 95 miles to Dallas is a bid deal. How would you suggest I get to Dallas, walk?

PilarW said...

Bumfuck, Egypt might just be a perfect place for being present, Zen. It's beautiful there, and the culture and people are rich. The sand is hot, feels great between your toes. You can raise your face to the sky and feel the sun on your skin. Maybe we should go there? ;-)
--just another fan, once, maybe still, from Bumfuck, as we all are

Anonymous said...

Anyway to get that podcast without iTunes? I'm at work and can't install anything nonsanctioned. The sons of bitches.

Anonymous said...

Anyway to get that podcast without iTunes? I'm at work and can't install anything nonsanctioned. The sons of bitches.

What? You don't have iTunes? You stupid PC jerks. Macs rules this world, you Egyptian bumfucks!

Anonymous said...

Robert,

The only thing you're "stuck" in is the idea that you need a teacher. Forget it. It's woo.

anon #108 said...

Hi 5.37am,

Here's the Hardcore Zen Podcast page, for direct podcast accessment:

http://hardcorezen.libsyn.com

Enjoy.

Osca Wilder said...

Bumfuck is an English term for homosexuality. It perhaps started in Egypt, but caught on like wild-fire in English boarding schools and then throughout the world via Pan Am.

Some Random Cat said...

Seagal Rinpoche said... Therefore, be ye lamps unto yourselves, be a refuge to yourselves. Hold fast to truth as a lamp; hold fast to the truth as a refuge. Look not for a refuge in anyone beside yourselves. And those, who shall be a lamp unto themselves, shall betake themselves to no external refuge, but holding fast to the truth as their lamp, and holding fast to the truth as their refuge, they shall reach the topmost height.

HOLY CRAP! The Seagull actually posted a quote that was relevant to the discussion! Given all the fortune-cookie random crap he's spammed here in the past, I think for now we're going to have to assume the relevance is coincidental.

anon #108 said...

BTW and FWIW,

The pali word usually translated as "lamp" or "light" in the Rinpoche's contribution is dIpa. The very same word can mean 'Island' - the Pali Text Society's Pali Dictionary has "terra firma, solid foundation, resting-place, shelter, refuge", and some folks think that's the correct reading.

Whatever innit.

Some Random Cat said...

I've gotta agree with Brad. If you need a teacher, the simple truth is that a good one is going to tell you things you don't want to hear. If they didn't shake up your ideas about what you need, you wouldn't need them. That's the problem, it's too easy to find someone online who's just going to tell you what you want to hear.

I spent too much time picking out a teacher from the several available in my area, and ended up settling for going to a practice center that wasn't my first choice because the schedule worked for me. In retrospect, that was probably the best thing that could have happened. Not because the teacher I ended up with was better than I had thought at first, but because I was immediately exposed to points of view that were significantly different from my own, and some of my mistaken ideas about Zen and about myself were corrected more quickly.

anon #108 said...

PS

Read all about it!

Brad Warner said...

eSangha is gone? Really? People often assume I'm mush more connected and tech savvy than I actually am. I thought they were still active because their "alert" about me is still up.

I am a materialist, apparently. I did not know this until I read it there!

Brad Warner said...

I said "mush." I am Foster Brooks.

Anonymous said...

"actually I do take offence. I am disabled (meaning I live on a mere $700 a month) with no personal transportation, so the 95 miles to Dallas is a bid deal. How would you suggest I get to Dallas, walk?"

How about you stop reeling off reasons that you're such a special case and can't be bothered to actually act on your own behalf like a responsible adult and actually do something? You're a lazy fool and don't even see it.

I'm not here to spell everything out for you, but sitting online and citing your oh-so-bad personal misfortunes is pathetic. Lift a finger and do something for yourself, you lazy Zen wannabe.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and hi, Brad!

anon #108 said...

Hey Some Random Cat,

I was immediately exposed to points of view that were significantly different from my own, and some of my mistaken ideas about Zen and about myself were corrected more quickly.

Yep. That's what happened to me.

Fortunately, I found a teacher very close to where I live AND he turned out to be jolly good too. He wasn't what I wanted, but he certainly was what I needed.

***********************************
...Yeah, Brad. Some say hacked out of business, some say hacked and forced out of business by threats of a law suit (instigated by a certain Zen Master/lawyer with an online sangha...Read all about it).

Blake said...

What about charging for online bass lessons? I'm learning the ukulele myself.

Dogen Sangha LA said...

Hardcore Zen Podcast RSS feed

For those who don't use iTunes and want to know when new episodes are posted, use the RSS feed of the podcast.

I contemplated editing out the dig at Wisdom Publications, but decided it was too woven into the talk. And they should have published Tonen's translation.

Wisdom Publicutions said...

Hay!

Wees isint stewpid. Wees isa veri wel rispectd spirityul litterery publushing hoose.

Sham on yoo!

Namaste.

WP

Anonymous said...

@Robert
I am somewhat disabled which means that most of the time I am more or less ok but sometimes I can't leave the house due to the pain in one of my legs.

Last summer I already had the train tickets for Warzawa/Poland where I wanted to join Brad's sesshin (about 400 miles from my place) but the night before bad luck strocke me and that was it.

So I can imagine what kind of effort going to Dallas might mean for you.

However, what might be worth to try is to check out the groups via the internet and then call those you like and ask them if there is someone whom they know and who lives close to you and might be able to pick you up. At one point in my life I lived about 150 miles from the next dojo but went there at least once per month. If at that time someone had asked me for picking him up I had not hesitated to drive another 50 miles for him.

Good luck and Gassho

L.

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R said...

“A guy I know argued very rationally that I would not be charging for the dharma but for my time”.

Serious?

I can’t see a lot of d to charge for if you accept this argument.

btw said...

Brad originally started the Q thing so he’d feel better about getting the donations.

Now the donations cease but he’s still stuck with the Q.

Never the less said...

Good luck.

The IRS said...

We would like an accounting of all the money you have received via the donation button.

Brad's lawyer said...

Mr. Warner does not need to pay taxes. He is a man of the cloth.

The Rat said...

I've already tipped off the appropriate authorities regarding any income abnormalities.

Anonymous said...

Aw, come on baby... it won't be weird just turn that webcam on and act natural!

john e mumbles said...

Forget e-sangha, Brad, Foster Brooks has been dead since 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_Brooks

john e mumbles said...

Oh, and Mysterion, thanks to your blog's Jimmy Page reference I've been revisiting Led Zeppelin III and digging many tunes, especially track three, "Celebration Day." In between Kanye, and Ryan Adams/Cardinals III and IV, and Townes Van Zandt's "best of" that is...

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Anonymous said...

Thanks Brad! bass covers are the best thing I've heard on the internet since midi files!

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Anonymous said...

Sorry, that ended up quite out of order. The original is here.

http://community.zen-sangha.org/

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Anonymous said...

Jundo is a bad person. I mean that literally.

Anonymous said...

Wha jun gunna do

Maurice said...

"Some of the on-line forums I've checked out are packed with dubious "Masters" spouting dogma that sounds like the worst forms of authoritarian religion"

That's truly funny, Brad. I have that exact opinion about much of what you spout here. Dogmaboy.

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Anonymous said...

This is the empathy box, my dear... when you take hold of these handles you're no longer watching Jundo or Brad. You're actually participating in their apotheosis. Why, you're feeling what they feel.

And THE LORD said...

*yaaawn*

Anonymous said...

Jundo said... Thus, as I often say, "the world is virtual, our Sangha is real."

It doesn't matter how many times he quotes himself. An internet forum is just an internet forum, like it or not.

Treeleaf Rules; Hardcore Sucks! said...

"People often assume I'm mush (sic) more connected and tech savvy than I actually am."

Interesting, isn't it, that you feel the need to create situations where you get to explain how people misunderstand and misinterpret you?

Jundo Cohen said...

Eido "Roshi"'s case, and others like it, may someday be seen as one of the best, most refreshing things to happen in Buddhism in centuries ...

http://www.zenforuminternational.org/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=3584&start=720#p79516

Anonymous said...

"How about you stop reeling off reasons that you're such a special case and can't be bothered to actually act on your own behalf like a responsible adult and actually do something? You're a lazy fool and don't even see it."

From one Anonymous guy to another, you're being a dick.

slaneel, whatever that means

Anonymous said...

"From one Anonymous guy to another, you're being a dick."

That's very passive-aggressive. You wouldn't say that to my face or else you'd be missing a few teeth and possibly part of one ear shortly thereafter. Plus, that message wasn't directed to you. My exchange with that guy is none of your business. Finally, and most importantly, please don't detract from this lazy, conceited guy's journey toward something meaningful with your own ego-based interjections.

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anon #108 said...

Once in a while I browse old HCZ posts. I just came across this (from July 18th last year):

"ROLL-CALL said...
THE HCZ ANONYMOUS TROLLING SCENE

One guy gets off by assuming the identity of other posters and making off-color or deliberately ignorant comments.

Another guy loves to try and swing the discussion back to Jundo Cohen. He has even successfully conjured up the real Jundo here once or twice.

Another troll gets his kicks by reminding us that Brad has said some unkind things on this blog in the past. I guess his point is that Brad is a bad Buddhist.

Another troll likes to disparage Gudo's ideas. I think he thinks this really bothers Brad.

One guys likes to post You-tube vids relating to 911 conspiracies.

Another guy specializes in tormenting any woman who dares to post on HCZ.

One guy hates Brad for his butt-buddy comments. He must have taken a lot of shit in his life.

The list goes on and on. I know I'm forgetting a few. Some of these trolls might be the same person. It's possible they are all the same person. If so, the guy is highly dedicated and completely nutz."

(It weren't me)

Osama Van Halen followed up with:

"What ever happened to "Mr. Angry"?"

Anonymous said...

Wow Anonymous, its horrible even reading your violent and ugly rants. Have you ever practiced METTA?!!! Try it!

Anonymous said...

"Wow Anonymous, its horrible even reading your violent and ugly rants. Have you ever practiced METTA?!!! Try it!"

Happiness is a warm gun.

- anon #108

Anonymous Bob said...

FUCK!

I just lost two hours of work.. Gone

CAPTCHA : rollcall : I kid you not

Anonymous said...

Sorry to hear that, AB.

OsamaVanHalen said...

anon#108,
I don't think that anybody ever answered my question about "Mr. Angry". Does anybody know who I was referring to? Years ago he trolled this blog under his "real" blogger name (linked to his blog) and then he just disappeared. Or did he? *cue ominous music*

Anonymous said...

Osama, You mean Jiblet? He totally disappeared.

anon #108 said...

I did wonder whether Mr Angry was a particular bloke or a generic term, OVH...he was the one troll type Roll Call failed to mention. I've been following the blog for a few years but don't recall him, I'm afraid (girls don't troll...do they?).


Hi there 3.37pm,

Re jiblet (lower case - a diminutive of his father's initials, I gather): As I recall, apart from one vociferous complaint to Brad about banning anonymous comments (in fact it was a technical hitch) jiblet was always rather dull and well-behaved.

He still posts occasionally - on Mike Cross's Mining Ashvagosha's Gold blog, largely confining himself to discussions of Sanskrit minutiae and very occasionally on Zen Forum International, where he is out-gunned by much smarter Buddhists...or so they think. Ha Ha!

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anon #108 said...

Hey OVH!

I see what you did there. Cool pic!
...Oh THAT Mr Angry. K.

Anonymous said...

There was this one guy who Brad called Mr. Asswipe. Is that the guy?

john e mumbles said...

108 is jiblet. He talkin' bout him-own-self. And thats an old Alex Grey paintin' there on yer avatar, Osama VH. Grey's an old friend and collaborator w/ Ken Wilbur, the egg head in cahoots with the dread Genpo. We're all connected. Ain't life grand.

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BTW and FWIW, Chas, the PTS Dictionary says that dIpa comprises dvi = two and ap (from āpa) = water. So literally "double-watered," between (two) waters - hence island, terra firma, solid foundation, etc.

Very interesting that, about Peter.


Life is indeed grand, john e :)

and then there was METAL said...

bass covers are good days. all the way around, i love listening to them over subs

anon #108 said...

Hey attwM!

Got some earplugs?
Good. Now knock yourself out ;)

Anonymous said...

"I know a bunch of commenters are gonna think I'm taking digs at someone specific (if you must know, the one that grinds me most is e-Sangha).

What a bunch of bullshit! Of course we know who you're taking digs at. And IMHO, rightly so! But please don't play naive and act as if you didn't know that e-Sangha has been offline for several years now."

I also think Brad lies here !

A few posts before I mentioned, in my comment, about e-sanga being hacked. This comment was deleted.

Anonymous said...

"A few posts before I mentioned, in my comment, about e-sanga being hacked. This comment was deleted.

5:10 AM"

Upss. Sorry. My old comment - below The News Years resolutions post is still there:
"Anonymous said...

The censorship on this blog starts to irritate me. Comments are deleted too often.

It reminds me of buddhist censorship on (in)famous buddhist forum e-sanga. Sadly, it finally ceased to exist because of hackers attacks.

12:39 PM"

But nonetheless, I suspect Brad knew about e-sanga being down.

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anon #108 said...

I also think Brad lies here...I suspect Brad knew about e-sanga being down.

You're onto something, 5.10am. But it's not what it seems. Brad lies. You expose him. Thus are we all deflected from the far more sinister conspiracy going on here. I can't speak for fear of....I can't say.

I'd leave it if I were you. It doesn't stop at deleting (and re-instating) blog comments. Just play along. Please.

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Hi OVH,

Re Mr Angry's post from 2006: Coming from the man you speak of that's a pretty generous compliment being paid to Brad there. Seriously. IMO.

I'd be a little surprised if he were still posting here, anonymously; I've not read anything that's made me think so. But I could be wrong.

john e mumbles said...

On Martin Luther King Day I saw Elvis shooting pool with JFK. Jim Morrison was, as usual, tending bar (showing anybody who pretended to care his 10 year AA medallion). Gram Parsons came in and flashed Lew Welch the Peace sign.

Personally, I wish Brad was and there was Metal. But that would be so weird.

merciless said...

I - dreamed - I - was - there - in - death - club - 27. oh - what - a - beautiful - sight.

Last night I dreamed I went to death club 27 heaven. And you know who greeted me at the gate? The ole lizard king himself, Jim Morrison. He said to me, he said "Merciless, the Big Boss of the band up here has asked me to kinda show you around. Now, over there are a few of your ole mates." Man, was I glad to see them, Jimi Hendrix, Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, Alan "Blind Owl" Wilson, Ron "Pigpen" McKernan among other eternal 27 year olds..

Once Bitten said...

I am thinking about joining an Atlanta sanga, can anybody tell me about Soyu Matsuoka (松岡 操雄, (1912—1997), and the head of the sangha in Atlanta, Zenkai Taiun Michael Elliston Sensei?

I don't mean wikipedia info, I mean reasons why I shouldn't do it. Don;t want another Barry Graham experience.

Brad Warner said...

Matsuoka Roshi is real. He published a book called The Kiyosaku (or possibly The Kyosaku). He was active in California in the 70s, maybe into the 80s. He has a few dharma heirs in the US. His story is somewhat similar to S. Suzuki and Maezumi in that he arrived at around the same time to try to establish some Zen in the US & left behind some centers and heirs. I am unaware of any particular scandals. I don't know much more than that.

And, by the way, you best believe I pay taxes. There might be some way I can avoid that (legally, I mean). But I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

As for eSangha.... sorry. No conspiracy. I really, honestly am not interested enough in the Zen scene to bother following such things. I swear to God. Bores me to tears.

As does the long, long article someone posted here. Lots of PR stuff in that. Lots & lots. Didn't bother to read it. Probably won't. I don't like infomercials much.

At least when I do self promotion I call it that.

Once Bitten said...

Thanks Brad, I read somewhere that he broke with the Soto in Japan, but that is understandable, just wondered if it was "scandalous..."

No one knows anything about his dharma heir (well, one of them) Michael Elliston?

Hare said...

100!

Anonymous said...

100 + 1

James A said...

So I've done a home practice for about ten years and no one groovy has shown up --- can I ordain myself and move on?

anon said...

James: Why not? that's what Barry did.

Harry said...

James Ford seems to know the skinny on the US Zen scene. He wrote a book called 'Zen Master Who?' all about the various zenny goings on in the US. Might be a good guy to ask about teachers. You can contact him through his blog:

http://monkeymindonline.blogspot.com/

... in my experience he's a very approachable chap.

Regards,

H.

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Anonymous said...

agreed. throw anything thru the dicer of the five skandhas. emotion won't make it thru in one piece.

Anonymous said...

Once Bitten said...
"I am thinking about joining an Atlanta sangha, can anybody tell me about Soyu Matsuoka (松岡 操雄, (1912—1997), and the head of the sangha in Atlanta, Zenkai Taiun Michael Elliston Sensei? I don't mean wikipedia info, I mean reasons why I shouldn't do it. Don't want another Barry Graham experience."

FWIW,
a photo of Warner and Elliston

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Anonymous said...

Be careful with any mysterion endorsement. I'm just saying.

Brad Warner said...

I've run two sesshins at Michael Elliston's place in Atlanta. He seems like a very nice fellow.

I have not done a full background check on him. Nor do I plan to.

I'll be running another sesshin there in April. It's on my tour schedule.

Brad Warner said...

I just deleted the long PR piece about Treeleaf Zendo. This is not the place for such things and I will not tolerate them anymore.

You will see the following words where the posts once were:

This post has been removed by a blog administrator

This is what you'll see when I remove something. If it says the post was removed by the author, that means that whoever wrote the post subsequently removed it. Not me.

I don't usually censor this forum. But this shit is getting annoying.

Matt Hadder said...

That's a slippery slope Brad. Next thing you will be getting annoyed at people for not paying you enough respect and deleting their comments on principal. The major difference between you and Jundo was your unwillingness to take yourself too seriously. But now you seem very willing. This is a bad portend. I don't know what PR piece you are referencing because I probably read a bit and skipped the rest of it as you should have. You censoring comments? That's fucked up.

Harry said...

The info itself is hardly dangerous; I doubt anyone here buys it for other than what it is.

The intention of the poster is probably to wind you up (Brad, I mean), but that could be said of a good portion of the posts here... maybe you shouldn't indulge that, but, its your blog and all...

Regards,

H.

anon #108 said...

Hi Matt Hadder -

As you missed it...It weren't so much a 'comment'. It was a re-posting, without any comment at all, in four (I think) sections, of an entire lengthy piece Jundo had written on his own site about Treeleaf and the virtual Sangha thing, called THE WORLD IS VIRTUAL, THIS SANGHA IS REAL.

All the poster had to do was post a link - which s/he eventually did (not a direct link, sadly). I note that Brad's left the link up.

I do understand your concerns, but I don't think we need worry. It's clear that Brad tolerates all sorts of bollocks in this comment section. I don't think deleting yards and yards of one very long article not originally intended for the comment section of someone else's blog is an indicator of a "slippery slope". Especially taking into consideration the unpleasantness that's been caused by this particular kind of thing in the recent past. Not IMO.

It was either Jundo using this forum to put his point of view (meh...dunno), OR it was a troll hoping to stir the shit (not unlikely), OR it was a well meaning anon who thought the article relevant to the discussion (perhaps). The article was relevant I guess - but better, surely to just give the link, with or without comment.

LINK

john e mumbles said...

Didn't read it as a long segmented series of comments here but perused it via 108's link (see how that works?), and IMO, it's Hogwash.

This is Brad's blog, that he tolerates the likes of me, and others, is testament to his punk rock cred.

What a lot of glad-handers commenting on JC's article! Or are they just the ones he posted? Well, opinions are like assholes... (I'm making that obvious!)

I say fly the Jolly Roger, Brad. Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck.

Anonymous said...

Jundo is consistent. Brad never seems to know what he wants. I award the points to Brad.

Anonymous said...

crazy watering can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e30zR7Fv9uA

Anonymous said...

This comment was removed by adherence to moral priciple.

Captcha: uncluthe (!)

Brad Warner said...

I do too know what I want! A burrito!

Brad Warner said...

"Matt,"

The only slippery slope around here is Park Slope, Brooklyn, which is very slippery due to it being 16 degrees Fahrenheit outside.

It was a big pain in the bum to delete that stuff. I don't like wasting my time in that way. Not gonna keep doing it.

Greg said...

Brad,

In your book 'Sit Down...", you seem to emphasize the importance of finding a teacher (ch. 5, Zazen by Alone). Here you say don't worry about it. Do these two ideas contradict each other, or is there something I'm not seeing (in which case my 'not seeing' list is that much longer. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

That article is a transparent attempt to sway people and convince them that this stupid 'sangha' is a good idea. Jundo goes from, on the one hand, describing it as a deal for people who don't have easy access to a brick and mortar sangha to, in the article, elevating his stupid forum and YouTube video combo thing to the level of real-deal sangha. I don't think he's fooling anyone; if you want to believe in what he's selling then of course you're not going to see things as I've just described them.

Oh well. In the end, I really, really want for all of us to be truly happy and live with ease. Maybe we're all getting there.

Anonymous said...

This video is a play on Russell's teapot, sometimes called the Celestial Teapot, Cosmic Teapot

(Russell's teapot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot )


crazy watering can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e30zR7Fv9uA&feature=player_embedded

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"Blogger Greg said...
"Brad, In your book 'Sit Down...", you seem to emphasize the importance of finding a teacher (ch. 5, Zazen by Alone)."

This is not quite as inconsistent as it might seem.

First, if a teacher (or teachers) are available, shop around for a good one. POSTURE is nontrivial in Zazen. After 35 years, my wife will still occasionally say "Straighten your back!"

And sometimes people think that they should lift their shoulders - but that doesn't help restore the natural "S" in an upright (e.g. straight) back. It only adds pain in another dimension.

So the benefit of a teacher is getting the posture right. If you nail the posture, you can sit in comfort for thirty or even fifty minutes.

The second reason you might want a teacher (guide) is that s/he can suggest a sequence of books to read - over the years - that will not baffle the mind with BULLSHIT.

I usually suggest Zen at Work and Beginner's Mind - in that order. There are two dozen books worth reading - but not in the same year!

Brad's Trilogy + 1 (Hardcore, Sit, Zen) [and Sex] are fairly good for GenX/Y. I like them a lot (4 + stars) but I have been around the block. And I have watched Brad adjust to some difficult life changes.

Now go hit the donate button and PayPal Brad $5. Dana.

And remember, I am Jodo Shu!"

LOL@Mysterion having a wife. Right.

Mysterion said...

not having a teacher is no reason to avoid sitting...

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Anonymous said...

"don't project your instability on others...

there is nothing beneficial in that exercise...

Unfortunately (for you) I have been married..."

Oh, now. I was just playing along, within the range of what passes for normal play here. I assume you mostly were in your reply as well.

If you were in any way put off in the slightest, I now express my regret for contributing to it. I'm serious.

Tell your wife hello from Anonymous. Take care and shalom.

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Mysterion said...

re: Zazen by alone...

Dogen on Zazen [a PDF file]
Get FoxIt Reader HERE

Principles of Zazen

Stanford Soto Zen Text Translation Project

Treasury of the Correct Eye of Dharma - Book 11
"Principles of Zazen"
Shōbōgenzō zazen gi
正法眼藏坐禪儀
Translated by Carl Bielefeldt

now, back to work (doing an audio book)

Anonymous said...

dana-
Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give.

Robert Ingersoll

Anonymous said...

Did Brad put up a post last night then delete the whole thing?

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Anonymous said...

What's in a name? that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

john e mumbles said...

"....save like hell." For what?

http://www.shtfplan.com:80/headline-news/confirmed-were-literally-on-the-brink-of-catastrophic-collapse_01062011


Captcha: vishneu

anonymous anonymous said...

In mysterion's ideal world, everyone lives in retirement doing no work, surfing the internet endlessly, making bad puns. Let the working poor carry his dead ass.

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john e mumbles said...

Brother, you make my point.

punk buddhist zombies from space said...

I kinda like this post alot (especially the Bumfuck, Egypt bit.)Just find your own you,oi?
Thanks for starting my first intrests in Buddhism. keep writing man.

Annora said...

Pretty helpful data, lots of thanks for your post.