Sunday, November 07, 2010

Not Really About Last Night

I'll post something about the Dogen Translation Forum soon. But for now here is a a posting from a very unique and interesting perspective.

Also, the stuff I did yesterday is now or will soon be archived. I'll try and get the URL for that soon.

After San Francisco I'm heading south to Los Angeles where I'm doing a busload of gigs.

•November 9, 2010 (Tues) 7 pm - Hill Street Center 237 Hill St., Santa Monica, CA 90405

•November 10, 2010 (Wed) 7 am (yes that’s 7 in the morning!) Dharma Zen Center 1025 S Cloverdale Ave Los Angeles, CA 90019-6733

•November 10, 2010 (Wed) 7:30 pm - Against The Stream 4300 Melrose Ave. Los Angeles, CA

•November 12 (Fri) - 7pm An Lac Buddhist Temple 901, S.Saticoy Avenue Ventura, CA 93004. $2 Donation.

•November 14, 2010 (Sun) 7pm - Bodhi Tree Bookstore 8585 Melrose Ave., Los Angeles, CA


Next I'm heading south to Los Angeles where I'm doing a busload of gigs.

•November 9, 2010 (Tues) 7 pm - Hill Street Center 237 Hill St., Santa Monica, CA 90405

•November 10, 2010 (Wed) 7 am (yes that’s 7 in the morning!) Dharma Zen Center 1025 S Cloverdale Ave Los Angeles, CA 90019-6733

•November 10, 2010 (Wed) 7:30 pm - Against The Stream 4300 Melrose Ave. Los Angeles, CA

•November 12 (Fri) - 7pm An Lac Buddhist Temple 901, S.Saticoy Avenue Ventura, CA 93004. $2 Donation.

•November 14, 2010 (Sun) 7pm - Bodhi Tree Bookstore 8585 Melrose Ave., Los Angeles, CA

158 comments:

Zach said...

FIRST HA!:)

Zach said...

AND 2nd!:)

And as an aside - I got my Copy of Kaz's Shobogenzo in the mail a few weeks ago, I am just now starting to crack into it and I must say, this is a Beautiful edition:)

john e mumbles said...

Very nice post link from Kaz's daughter. No better homage possible. He is an amazing artist.

And thank Jah (or whoever/whatever you want to thank or not thank) Mysterion has apparently not introduced him to Wahl products.

Harry said...

Erm... four is most noble.

Nice talk, Brad. It's up there to view in playback already.

Regards,

Harry.

Tor Hershman said...

Here's moi's video with a MOST interesting perspective...and that issssss.....moi ain't makin' any money from it
(Ain't moi a tardre? Yep)
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LubuSAgB5s

Stay on groovin' safari,
Tor

punk whore said...

Don't even think about it Brad. You ain't gettin' in them panties. She's not granola or Hot Topic enuff for Mr. Warner.

Shobo-Babe-Zo said...

Maybe you two could compare editions? Maybe point your finger at her moon? :-P

veri: actureh - as in, actor, eh?

Anonymous said...

there's no escapade!

Seagal Rinpoche said...

Keep your thoughts positive because your thoughts become your words. Keep your words positive because your words become your behaviors. Keep your behaviors positive because your behaviors become your habits. Keep your habits positive because your habits become your values. Keep your values positive because your values become your destiny.

OsamaVanHalen said...

Keep your destiny positive because your destiny becomes your thoughts...

Anonymous said...

Keep on Truckin'

john e mumbles said...

Stephan and Martine Batchelor June 19-24 "Secular Dharma: Meditation and Study Retreat." Barre Center for Buddhist Studies www.dharma.org/bcbs

tar and feather said...

You should put the two sets of lyrics (Barry Graham's) Bastard Town and (John Cooper Clarke's) Chicken Town up next to one another in a post. This is "bloody" plagiarism, and it really shows Graham's character. For a writer to plagiarize like that is simply outrageous. Exact lines, exact WORD FOR WORD. No attribution, and he simply changes "bloody" to "fucking."

Ridiculous. I felt that he seemed to do the same with his zen articles, where it felt like he was cutting and pasting other teacher's material and changing things just enough to get away with it. Not to mention, most zen stuff sounds the same anyway... ;)

attribution: anon

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Zach said...

Morning all - I have a question.
(This is sortof in th same Barry Graham sort of vein...)

I was listening to Aitken Roshi's last interview, and he had some harsh words for Eido Roshi... and in fact called him a "Crook" numerous times.... and when the interviewer said something about the whole thing as a "byproduct of Zen in the West"... Aitken Roshi interrupted with the words:

"It’s NOT a byproduct of Zen in the West, it’s a byproduct of a criminal mind."

Harsh words...
So I started looking through the Shimano Archive and found these two things... almost the most recent additions to the archive:

http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDFs/20100920_Daiktokuji_Lineage.pdf

And...

http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDFs/20101001_Ryutakuji_Lineage.pdf

(scroll down to the last page - unless you know Japanese...^^)

So I guess my question is this... It certainly looks as if Eido Shimano never received inka, and is not a teacher - is this correct?

Anonymous said...

Soen Nakagawa, Roshi held a ceremony for Eido Shimano in New York in 1972. Following that ceremony, Shimano was to be referred to as "Shi." He very soon got people to call him "Ro-shi." Whatever Soen did in 1972, it is not recognized by Ryutakuji or Myoshinji. Eido Shimano is not officially recognized as a Dharma heir of Soen Nakagawa.

President Andrew Jackson said...

What the hell is this?

http://hardcorezen.com/

President Andrew Jackson said...

What the hell is this?

You'll have to forgive me. I'm not totally up on HTML, seeing as how I've been dead for a very long time.

R said...

What you say is very interesting for me.*

My first teacher is Kyudo Nakagawa whose name you can find on the first address and picture in the second.

He was living in Jerusalem from 1970 to 1984.

As I understood it he was sent by the monastery [Ryutaku-ji] or the Rinzai head council to NY - to establish his Zendo there, while Eido Shimano was already having one there.

(Several years later after the death of Suzuki Roshi who had no Dharma heirs, he was called back to the temple to take his place)

I wasn’t around at the time. I only started sitting later than that.

I don't know what this might imply of Eido Shimano though I find it hard to believe he is not someone’s Dharma heir.

* [Z @ 6:44 AM]

R said...

Also I lived for about 13 months in Ryutaku-ji (as a layman) and I never heard a mention of Shimano's name.

Anonymous said...

Why did the chicken cross the road?
He wanted to go to Chicken Town.

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Mysterion said...

p.s. Suzuki Roshi had Dharma Heirs...

Zentatsu Baker Roshi was Suzuki Roshi's only direct dharma heir in the West.

Hoitsu Suzuki is the eldest son and dharma heir of Shunryu Suzuki in Japan.

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Runway Model (seriously) said...

Buddhism generally approaches depression from a quite different viewpoint than modern Western psychology. The Buddhist perspective is that an underlying selfishness/egotism is often the basic cause of feeling depressed. Please realise that if this is upsetting you, basically this is considered the main psychological problem that everyone has according to Buddhist psychology, and depression can be an unexpected result of it. Also, this does not mean that the suffering person should be 'blamed' for the condition, but rather opens up a very different approach to the problem using medtitation and emphasis on compassion and loving-kindness. Even though these methods may neither be quick nor instantly effective, negative side effects are virtually unheard of; and who cannot use a bit of emphasis on loving-kindness?

A very interesting aspect of reflection on compassion and love is the point that we need to respect, forgive and have compassion not only for others, but ourselves as well.

One of the causes for depression can be a strong sense of dissatisfaction with ourselves; perhaps the page on lack of self-confidence could be helpful? In modern society, it appears that only 'being number one' counts, but this leaves out the other 6 billion people, including 'me'. Does that mean that I am worthless? Of course not!

Just look at the other end of the scale: many of our so-called great heroes of the past are admired for their power, courage and intelligence, but how many heroes can you think of that actually made it a point to create happiness and security instead of waging war and creating havoc? Simply being a loving and caring person tends to help the world a lot more than being 'number one'. One may admire pop-idols and moviestars, but many of them are (or will be) in a sorry state, addicted to drugs and 'life in the fast lane'; not understanding that happiness is a state of their own mind, not of their bank account, level of drugs, availability of sex etc.

If we can genuinely wish ourselves happiness and radiate that wish to others, our state of mind can change dramatically. If we change our mind, we can change our mood - a simple process, but not easy to achieve quickly. One of the most important things is to understand that we can change our own mind if we make a bit of an effort. If we would not be able to change anything in our mind, how did we ever learn to read and write?

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anonymous anonymous said...

mysterion is in this world to torture bloggers. He is evil.. He is the modern day Californian Torquemada.

anonymous anonymous said...

mysterion explains bootyism.

Gamesman's Ship said...

"Culpable is a term in criminal law that refers to the blameworthiness of the accused. An accused is culpable when he or she is sufficiently responsible for criminal acts or negligence to be at fault and liable for the conduct."

As it reads, this definition refers to the accused, NOT those surrounding the accused, so how does it follow that the sangha, parish, or anyone other than the accused will pay for the accused "sins?"

If indeed, those parties are found to be somehow in collusion with the accused, then indeed, they are culpable, otherwise, they are not.

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Anonymous said...

Today I swept leaves. When I was done I swept more. I planted vegetables in cedar boxes I made. I listened to the wind or the tree. Words mean less than wind, or tree.

inked said...

Brown is a jesuit, or was a jesuit? I thought he was a buddhist now. I know he was a friend to sfzc back in the day.

W&T Ltd. said...

Hi 10:30 pm, did you read All that Mysterion posted?

W&T Ltd. said...

The silent roaring of dragons among withered trees.

R said...

"Words mean less than wind, or tree."

"Hi 10:30 pm, did you read All that Mysterion posted?"

If she read mysterion's words, she's now grateful for the wind in the trees. Or not. But probably.

r said...

That’s as far as you get, troll.

R said...

r: What you say is very interesting to me.*

I prefer to use the first letter of my given name. but I can easily use the first letter of my surname. Unfortunately or fortunately, however you see it, they are both R.

* [r @ 7:05 AM]

Tom said...

I get it

Jerry Brown: Machiavelli Or Torquemada?

Sign of the Cross said...

R said... Unfortunately or fortunately, however you see it, they are both R.

use RR

i am not a troll, now said...

- Why don’t all these commentators read Mysterion’s blog?, -said Alice.

Oh, - but they do, said Humpty Dumpty. It's only that the chickens keep eating the trolls.

Oh, said Alice, how sad, so there are no trolls over there?

Lots of’em, said humpty Dumpty.

How nice, said Alice, I hope they don’t smell. - Don’t what?! - Said Humpty Dumpty, - Now that is very rude!

I’m sorry, said alice.

R said...

I was the last one, and I suppose I’ll be using my account from now on.

Ran K. said...

Or I might not. I don’t know.

RR said...

R, Were you the last one or the next to last one? I was neither.

neither said...

Could you repeat that? I don't really get you. What do you mean by "last"?

the last word said...

This is my final attempt. That which is ultimate, else [literally, most remote] is the last that can be reached, as in progression or regression, experience, or a course of investigation.

not last said...

This is my next attempt. That which is ultimate, else [literally, most remote] is the last that can be reached, as in progression or regression, experience, or a course of investigation.

last said...

This is my one and only attempt. That which is ultimate, else [literally, most remote] is the last that can be reached, as in progression or regression, experience, or a course of investigation.

neither said...

Well, you fail than.

failed said...

Why do you say than?

Do you mean 'then'?

gniz said...

I love when the comments section here falls in on itself and begins to feel like one guy alone in a room talking to himself.

Hello? is there an echo in here?

This is one of the only Buddhist places to go for good surrealist comedy.

Zachariah said...

Hahahaha True dat Gniz...:)

neither said...

I wonder where surrealists go for good buddhist comedy than?

gniz said...

"I wonder where surrealists go for good buddhist comedy than?"

"Why do you say than?

Do you mean 'then'?"

Annnnnnd....SCENE!!

failed said...

Sorry gniz, I just suck.

That's better than a comedy though.

I'll try @ M's blog. Cheers.

gniz said...

Failed, not sure what you mean. Hope you're not feeling bad, nothing intended at your expense at all. Maybe you were joking?

Ra said...

Gniz, 11:06 is an impostor. First he was failed than he was neither.

Awakened Yeti said...

What a busload of comments

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john e mumbles said...

Thanks, I will no longer linger over the longer that was spelled linger. Nor will I lust over lost, or look for the lost lust, alas.

Bukowski said...

the lust is lost in the translation

Natural, reckless, correct skill;
Yesterday's clarity
is today's stupidity
The universe has dark and light,
entrust oneself to change
One time, shade the eyes
and gaze afar
at the road of heaven.

more

Uku said...

Pipari season is coming closer!

marie said...

Seija my host father's mother has taught me to bake pulla and pipari which are both traditional deserts. Pipari is like a gingerbread cookie but thinner and harder (actually "pipari" means cookie but it is used especially to mean gingerbread around Christmas time).

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john e mumbles said...

Yes, but what does this have to do with the precession of the equinoxes?

Zach said...

TROLO-lololololololo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA&feature=related

You guys make the folks at 4chan proud...:)

Mysterion said...

The precession of the equinoxes helps define the Great Ages. The beginning date of the Age of Aquarius is debated.

Dr. Shepard claims the Greeks first defined the Great Ages but recent evidence points to the Sumerians or India during the Age of Taurus.

The Age of Gemini - 6450 BC to 4300 BC (a.k.a. time of Adam & Eve)
The role of men and women in reproduction was understood.

The Age of Taurus - 4300 BC to 2150 BC - The Age of India and the Sacred Bull.
Bull worshiping cults also began to form in Assyria, Egypt and Crete.

The Age of Aries - 2150 BCE and ending about AD 1. - The Age of Egypt (From Menes to Ptolemy)
People revered the sun in Egypt. Aries represents Re - the hidden sun Force.
The idea of one God came into being with Akhenaten, an Egyptian Pharaoh about 1350 BC, when he decreed the Sun God Aten, as the supreme deity. Ended with PT (Chi-Rho) Ptolemy.

The Age of Pisces - Present Age: AD 1 to AD 2150 - The Age of Christianity in the West and elsewhere.

The Age of Aquarius - Beginning about 2150 - The Age of Freedom and Technology
There is considerable dispute about when the Age of Aquarius begins.
Some half-astrologers place it as far out as AD 2600.

Zach said...

Hey Mysterion... Are you a "Zeitgeist" fan...?:)

Mysterion said...

The 'Persian' killed 'the Bull' and moved the great Age into the age of the Ram (Aries)...

(Avenue of the Rams)

Basalt Ram

The constellation Perseus (also known as the Persian) is just above that of Taurus the Bull.

A book to read.

Also read about Astrology and Mithras HERE.

I love cult folklore - especially when it helps explain the evolution of later religions or johnny-come-lately sects within religions.

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Anonymous said...

go for the FULL version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

Dirty Sanchez said...

Zeitgeist Factual errors:

In part I, "The Greatest Story Ever Told", about 20 min in, the narrator explains that "The star in the east is Sirius... which, on December 24, aligns with the three brightest stars in Orion's Belt," and that these four stars point to the place of sunrise on December 25. This is correct but for one detail: Sirius and the three brightest stars in Orion's Belt all being *fixed* stars, their relative position does not change, and they are aligned to the same extent every day of the year.

*Attis was not born on 25th of December. Attis's mother, Nana (daughter of the river Sangarios) got pregnant when she cut a fruit from an almond tree that grown up for the organs of the demon Agdistis. He was not crucified. During a marriage song Agdistis appeared in front of him. Attis went mad, cut of his genitals and died. He was then reborn and not resurrected in an evergreen pine. (Pausanias, Greece 7.19)

*Dionysus mother was not a virgin, she was Semele and was seduced by Zeus numerous times. He was not born on 25th of December, he did not perform miracles, he only caused madness. He was not called "King of Kings". The symbol of Dionysus they present is ORPHEUS VAKHIKOS. This is a small artifact which dates back to 300 A.D. that shows a man tied on an anchor not crucified.

*Krishna was not a Carpenter, he was actually a Herdsman.

*Krishna was not born of a virgin mother Devaki. Devaki and her husband Vasudeva was kept together in prison to prove the divine prediction wrong by ensuring that their eight children are born and hence killed by Kansa (Devaki's brother). Also, Krishna died due to an arrow shot by a hunter which struck below his foot.

*Krishna was not the son of a virgin.

From the IMDB

Zach said...

Heheheh yep... Zeitgeist was a steamer:)

Jared said...

"Zeitgeist" is an anti-semitic, rambling, conspiracy manifesto edited in someone's basement from beneath a tin-foil hat (to block the mind-reading rays). Any facts scraped together in the film are used to gesture at largely unsubstantiated claims regarding 9/11 and the Federal Reserve and possible ties to some sort of secret society controlling and manipulating world governments. The only element of the film I find shocking or intriguing is its appeal to radical college students. Avoid at all costs.

Dirty Elaine Pagels said...

Cathaholic errors:

Jesus was not born of a Virgin (he had older brothers and sisters).

While some worshiped Jesus, or so the fable goes, Jesus worshiped James.

Gospel of Thomas
12: The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?"

Jesus said to them, "No matter where you are you are to go to James the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."

and 13: Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."

And a fav 18
18 The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

It makes perfect political sense that the most authentic scriptures are rejected by the illegitimate church.

Give a Whistle said...

Jesus' siblings: brothers and sisters

dirty sanchez said...

Jared, Yes.. Zeitgeist is a cyber-age Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Total trash for the half-smart with enough facts mixed in to confuse them. I'm sure mysterion will love it.

Gosh, I wonder who Dirty Elaine Pagels could be. It's a mystery..

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Mysterion said...

this comments section gets kudos for turning me on to "The Big Lebowski."

[singing while semi-conscious in the back of a police car]
The Dude: He was innocent, not a charge was true, and they say he ran away... Branded!

john e mumbles said...

That was me who turned you on, "dude." You're welcome!




Captcha: granfrep

john e mumbles said...

"But as early as 1875, mainstream scholars were onto Xtian mythologies, borrowings, and adaptations."

He wasn't exactly "mainstream" but I'd go back farther at least to Athanasius Kircher...

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Jinzang's ghost said...

"I have often said that I believe whatever we get in this life is, at some level, something we wanted or needed." -----Brad Warner

This is an idea you more often run across in New Age / New Thought circles. And I think it's a half-truth, a distortion of what's really the truth.

Awakened Yeti said...

You forgot to add how the sphinx was actually a statue of a lion built during the Age of Leo.. but was later vandalized with a new head by the egyptians

Nobody's Doppelganger said...

Jinzang's Ghost acts like he knows what the "truth" is, Ruth. (snicker)

Ruth said...

N.D: What he's talking about goes back to Jane Roberts and the Seth material.

Anonymous said...

Actually jinzang's ghost seems to be reblogging pieces of what venerable jinzang himself is writing on his own blog, The Careless Hand. Go figure.

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Alice said...

Oh.

W&T Ltd. said...

You can say that again.

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Airy said...

Yahzee!

Anonymous said...

JICYDK - The right to education is recognized as a human right and is understood to establish an entitlement to free, compulsory primary education for all children, an obligation to develop secondary education accessible to all children, as well as equitable access to higher education, and a responsibility to provide basic education for individuals who have not completed primary education. In addition to these access to education provisions the right to education encompasses also the obligation to eliminate discrimination at all levels of the educational system, to set minimum standards and to improve quality.

troll or trollip said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
"The right to education is recognized as a human right..."

Perhaps, but not by republicans.

In 1966, Reagan was elected Governor of California and was re-elected in 1970. He took public schools from #5 down to #26.

Today, California ranks 48th in the nation on per pupil spending for public education. source a PDF

Rich daddies in Silicon Valley can always send their sons to Menlo School and College before making them CEO of some corporation.

"Menlo College received a $21.3 million bequest from the Hope Bartnett Belloc Trust. Belloc named Menlo as a beneficiary in response to the college's mentorship of her son, Martin, during the 1962-63 academic year when he was a student."

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more...

Anonymous said...

Wandering minds lead to less happy people

Anonymous said...

What about wondering?

Anonymous said...

You're a silly git!

Anonymous said...

No I'm not.

Anonymous said...

Yes you are.

Sea Gull Rim Shotie said...

I wonder why I wonder why.
I wonder why I wonder.

I wonder why I wonder why I wonder why I wonder!

Dominique said...

Hey Just read your book Hard Core Zen, it was fun to spend some time with you. Rock on, keep writing, you make my world a better place.

Not Really About This Post said...

Is this a post or just a schedule?

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Awakened Yeti said...

pay no attention to the man administering BZ to you

this is your signature on the MK-ULTRA volunteer form, right?

Republican Christian said...

It took Mysterion nearly three hours between his last comment and the one he left at 2:58 as "Troll or Trollop" to shop for dinner?

How long does it take to find a can of Chef Boyardee?

Anonymous said...

Go back to sleep...
everything is under control.

Anonymous said...

Going somewhere?

Mysterion said...

I don't eat mammalian flesh foods.

I try to stick to locally grown - certified organic - produce.

MSG makes me ill - I have an allergic reaction (nausea) to it. Most prepared (packaged) foods have been off my diet for years.

Otherwise, instead of being 6'2" and 200#, I'ld be 5'10" and 350#.

At 210#, I had been overweight almost my entire life (I weighed 190# as a seasonal park ranger in college). At my peak, I weighed 226# - a real tub of lard! At 6'2", 190 is the correct weight.

AMERICAN HOME PRODUCTS: What do Chef Boyardee pasta, Jiffy Pop popcorn, Wheatena, Advil, Anacin, Robitussin, Dristan have in common? They are all made by American Home Products Corp., a company that cares little about its workers.

In November 1990, AHP announced that it would close down its Whitehall plant in Elkhart, Indiana, throw its 775 employees out of work and move the facility to Guyama, Puerto Rico.

Anonymous said...

In your talks, Brad, you never fail to bring up 'punk'
you talk about young 'punks' not 'getting it'

so what is it people 'don't get' about punk

what is 'punk' philosophy?

Have you ever had to compromise your zen to be punk

have you ever had to compromise your punk to be zen

Awakened Yeti said...

"lets start a war" said Maggie one day

Anonymous said...

NPR Science Friday with Ira Flatow
Can Science Shape Human Values? And Should It?
Yesterday, November 05, 2010, 1:00:00 PM
Ira Flatow talks with scientists and philosophers about the origins of human values, and the influence of modern scientific thought on human values. Even if science can shape human morals, should it? Or does science bring its own set of preconceptions and prejudices to moral questions?

Lawrence Krauss
foundation professor, School of Earth and Space Exploration and Physics Department
director, Origins Project
Arizona State University
Tempe, Arizona

Simon Blackburn
research professor, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Bertrand Russell professor of philosophy
University of Cambridge
Cambridge, England

Sam Harris
Author, “The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values” (Free Press, 2010)
Author, “The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason” (W.W. Norton, 2005)
co-founder and CEO, Project Reason

Steven Pinker
Johnstone Family professor, department of psychology
Harvard University
Cambridge, Massachusetts

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131099083&ft=1&f=5

Berkeley Groks Science Radio show and podcast
Morality is often viewed as being outside the domain of scientific inquiry, but is an objective understanding of morality possible?

http://grokscience.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/moral-landscape/

anonymous anonymous said...

Mysterion: Did you listen to Brad's OMG talk? Care to give us your thoughts on it, if you have any.. Or are you too busy misrepresenting your weight to a group of people who could care less?

Anonymous said...

This thread is now about ecologically-friendly diets.

Lewis Carroll said...

Oh, said Alice, - I don't really eat eggs.

L said...

Humpty Dumpty seemed as pleased as he could be. - Cholesterol? - He said, - is it?

No, said Alice, I just don't like them.

Anonymous said...

some quotes regarding punk

“I don’t need to advertise my punkness. A real punk doesn’t need to show off…Its like a Karate man… the Karate man bleed on the inside. A real punk is punk on the inside.” Mark Hoppus

“Punk became a circus didn’t it? Everybody got it wrong. The message was supposed to be: Don’t follow us, do what you want! John Lydon

“Mozart was a punk, which people seem to forget. He was a naughty, naughty boy.” Shirley Manson

“Punk rock is just another word for freedom.” Patti Smith

Her book, by the way , 'Just Kids' is a wonderful, wonderful read about those times, all times,
starting out, finding that toe hold in the world, that crack for your hand grip in the working world
and making a place, time and space for your soul driven art...

L said...

The evident satisfaction seemed to have been steadily vanishing: - You haven’t been listening to Mysterion, - have you?

Alice noted there was a small note by his side which said "Eat me".

No, said Alice, are you related?

Anonymous said...

I have mixed feelings about Brad's constant self-referencing as punk

I mean I wonder about the need to constantly self-define in this way

as if the one word sez it all

I do think it is a helpful orientation, a clue for where he's comin' from

but that was then and there

ultimately it is the thrust of wild aliveness out of what has become caged and tamed
there is an edge there:

punk is not the only movement to live on that edge and explore it; every generation must do this, as the young seek out livlihood and are no longer dependents.

skity

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Humpty Dumpty said...

Right, - all the king’s horses and all the king’s men, won't put a true punk ever sober and sane.

proulx michel said...

Anonymous 6:19 A.M wrote:
Morality is often viewed as being outside the domain of scientific inquiry, but is an objective understanding of morality possible?

I think that if one were to follow the grid for morality that Pirsig gives in his book "Lila", that could be relatively easier to achieve.

Alice said...

Fuck off Humpty, - this isn't what he as talking about.

Anonymous said...

I was on a varsity college football team, almost turned pro

I could start every presentation I ever made by saying that, couldn't I

And just what would that mean, really.

Those listening who had similar experiences would relate to me on some level, right

By my saying that every time I get up in front of people, what I am really saying is: this is the something about my life most important for me to say about myself: it informs everything, and I need you to know it, even if you know it, I can't say it enough, and so I say it every chance
I keep it alive
I resusitate it every time I say it

glory days

and why wouldn't I want to savor them what's the harm in it

Anonymous said...

In your talks, Brad, you never fail to bring up 'punk'
you talk about young 'punks' not 'getting it'


It's funny you think that, since Brad said the exact opposite in his talk on Wednesday night this week.

Never say never, I guess.

Mysterion said...

I am too busy misrepresenting my weight to a group of people who could care less.

I did hear (see) Brad's talk at the Dogen Translation fest. He said the old people should let the younger people have their Dogen in the same way that his generation - who had 'higher morals' in mind with their punk - let the younger generation - who have more emphasis on rage in their punk - have their punk rock.

I though it went well, was on subject, and timely.

Mysterion said...

Michel:

Consider the third of the Five Precepts:
Kamesu micchacara veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami
I will train to refrain from wrong-doing with respect to sensuality.

To recycle from 2 posts ago:
The Latin word mōrālis relates to individual manners. Moral virtue is the middle way between excess (hedonism) and deficiency (complete deprivation). Being moral is conforming to a personal value system and having consistency in your decisions based on a mechanism with foundations in responsibility and balance.

Following is the three-parter:

The Nature of Bias

Part II

Part III

Anonymous said...

Hey!
Just heard Brad's talk, SFZC/archived live stream
Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation.

Have started now to listen to the others.

Brad is a refreshing contrast in some ways to those of us who have heard zen buddhism spoken of in a certain way, Alan Watts also had a refreshing way of presenting Japanese zen buddhist concepts to western minds never before exposed to eastern thought

refreshing is, well, refreshing

What I got out of it was:
you greyed and greying zen authorities are nerds and a subculture like everything else
I was punk, zen was punk to the x, and I took my punk to zen
young punks don't get (my)punk, they get their own
you grey dogen scholars understand dogen your way, get a grip and loosen your hold: let younger ones have their own understanding of dogen

but I think Brad's talk would have been more accurate, more universal in application had he opened up his comments a bit more to allow for understanding in all directions
not just older generation allowing younger to have their own interpretation,
but everyone everywhere allowing everyone everywhere

I do think his comments as he made them make an excellent point to the robed and the rakused shaven and short cropped greyed/greying folk there

But you know, whether or not someone asks if you will accept formal transmission from them
whether or not their understanding of your understanding and/or your ability to convey your understanding of their understanding plus your own understanding of your own understanding
doesn't matter
you just go about living it, no?
doesn't everything you say/do demonstrate your understanding?

whether or not someone else understands it

moormin said...

I would like some knowledgeable punk to explain to me why punk is important. To me, it just seems like an minor offshoot of 20th century bohemianism. Dadaists, Surrealists, Beatniks, Hippies, punks.. The main difference seems to be of style and the fact the punks seem to hold their particular derivation in such high regard. It's not all that original.

Awakened Yeti said...

the problem with "punk" these days is that its only a hairstyle

anyone who actually goes around spitting in the face of established society knows its still not accepted as "cool" or "hip", or accepted at all, really

its not just that people dont have the balls to disrespect the system, they also dont realize they are part of it


We're going crazy
With paranoia, fear, and greed
Accepting standards
Believing what we hear and read
And then we think we've sussed out a new reality
But is this freedom just another hand from which we feed?
Where's the freedom?
We're going nowhere
In vicious circles we gyrate
The new sub-culture
With cliches painted on their face
We cannot see past
The elitist barriers we create
We reject the system
But put another in it's place
Where's the freedom?

- subhumans

dirty sanchez said...

Brad, The thing I really liked in your talk was the cute Zen chick doing all the giggling in the background. Please don't tell me if she wasn't cute. I'd rather deceive myself than have a teacher deceive me.

Harry said...

A neighbour of mine in Belfast released some sides on the Crass label. They were sort of experimental elctro dance anarchist rants against Thatcher and things like the shit that went down in a charming establishment called the H-Blocks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYJKKleEB6Q

He did it under a pseudo name so as to avoid the... curiosity... of the authorities. It was taken off the shelves of several Belfast record stores by the Special Branch due to it's 'political content', but it still achieved a place in the indie charts regardless I think. I'm sure they loved that.

Anyone who knows anything about the shit that was going down at the time knows that it took balls to do. That was punk if anything was IMO.

All this did not do Crass' image with the British tabloid press any good at all ("the band of hate" as I recall). Northern Ireland was a 'there be dragons' zone that many on 'the main land' would rather not like to think about at the time.

Anyway, here's a potent one on that subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQxd1GINMFM&feature=related

And for dancing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXTP7CV4Y24&feature=related

"We watch the TV every night, Jesus, what a load of shite..." Gotta love it (backing vocals by the Crass gals themselves).

Regards,

Harry.

Anonymous said...

Punks are sissies.
When I grow up, I want to be
a firefighter.

Anonymous said...

Firefighters are sissies.
When I grow up, I want to be
a journalist.

john e mumbles said...

I was a college radio DJ in the early 1970's playing anything/everything from Iggy's RAW POWER to Erik Satie.

About that time things began to shift, we rcvd a copy of Peter Tosh's LEGALIZE IT, PATTI SMITH's Horses, along with the first Ramones lp, and HIGH TIMES magazine had a supplement with Legs McNeal, and John Holstrom's comix. Soon enuf came The Clash and the hype, I mean the PISTOLS.

But it was all bout reggae in 1976 for me, I spent most of my dreadlocked time hanging out on the beach with a girl or two and a spliff.

Then came 1977 and everything changed. I remember Crass being a bunch of hippie anarchists (and I loved them).

"Punk Rock" was just another way to market youth culture to the masses. And it still is.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

anon @9:13
was meant to have quotation marks around the football stuff. I never played any sport, only hookey,
and that for a limited time and not often. Later I played around. Only I wasn't play, I was serious, so I guess I could say I serioused around.

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

If I were to be Rinzai, this may be my KOAN:

When I sit on the cushion, what makes me wanna punch an old zen master in the jaw?

Uku said...

John, ah, memories! Peter Tosh's Legalize It was very important stuff for me over 10 years ago when I was a young skateboarder and rebel motherfucker. Those times, those times, hahhaa!

Captcha: holyw (seriously!)

P.S. I DON'T support legalizing. At least in here Finland weed is a serious problem and people have enough problems with booze. Learn to live sober, folks.

- Aunt Morality

Anonymous said...

The Great Debate Panel: Sam Harris, Steven Pinker, Peter Singer, Patricia Chuchland...
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ScMJEVoj-s

The Great Debate Panel: Sam Harris, Steven Pinker, Peter Singer, Patricia Chuchland...
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSz8kDRrdpk

The Great Debate Panel: Sam Harris, Steven Pinker, Peter Singer, Patricia Chuchland...
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryQCoWXCnCQ

Sam Harris - The Great Debate: Can Science Tell us Right From Wrong?
(1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxxZqynsBM

Steven Pinker - The Great Debate: Can Science Tell us Right From Wrong?
(2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fbplK-J5IA&feature=related



Sam Harris - The Moral Landscape - 2010 Texas Book Festival -
Part 1-5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt7AGv-RNGM

Sam Harris - The Moral Landscape - 2010 Texas Book Festival -
Part 2-5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br06B3yJNyc&feature=related

Sam Harris - The Moral Landscape - 2010 Texas Book Festival -
Part 3-5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvRRwtSZW18&feature=related

Sam Harris - The Moral Landscape - 2010 Texas Book Festival -
Part 4-5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diCv9d1A3ro&feature=related

Sam Harris - The Moral Landscape - 2010 Texas Book Festival -
Part 5-5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG8lsVTMvr8&feature=related

john e mumbles said...

Yeah Uku, Good for you, I'm all cleaned up now, too.
Those were the DAZE...

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Some call it tampee
Some call it the weed
Some call it Marijuana
Some of them call it Ganja

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Singer smoke it
And players of instruments too
Legalize it, yeah, yeah
That's the best thing you can do
Doctors smoke it
Nurses smoke it
Judges smoke it
Even the lawyers too

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

It's good for the flu
It's good for asthma
Good for tuberculosis
Even umara composis

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it

Bird eat it
And they leave it
Fowls eat it
Goats love to play with it

108 the merciless said...

Wow.. it's good for asthma? I'll have to turn on my neighbor's kid. He's got that shit.

Anonymous said...

Journalists are sissies.
When I grow up, I want to be
a doctor.

Anonymous said...

I DIDN'T KILL PETER TOSH by Dennis Lobban

Anonymous said...

Doctors are sissies.
When I grow up, I want to be
an investment banker.

Anonymous said...

proto-punk + weed = Toots!

Mysterion said...

Blogger PhilBob-SquareHead said...
"When I sit on the cushion, what makes me wanna punch an old zen master in the jaw?"

You have come to the realization that a belly punch:

1) Well not be felt (a small fist into an enormous belly)

2) Were you to muster the power of the mythical Chuck Norris, you would create, with a belly punch, a tsunami that would obliterate the entire Zendo

3) A pinch in the jaw might wake up the old fart - ENLIGHTENMENT

Ran K. said...

Seems to me someone posting something as shitty as 6:19 am and 4:56 am should at least not do so anonymously.

Anonymous said...

Investment bankers are sissies.
When I grow up, I want to be
an economist.

Awakened Yeti said...

"no thanks" on the "street cred" bio

failures in marketing tend to go together, dont they?

I come up the river
To kill many people
I come up the river
With my laser gun

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