Sunday, June 20, 2010

NEXT STOP, ISRAEL

This may be my last posting for a while. I’m at a hotel near London’s Heathrow Airport. Tomorrow morning I have a 7 AM flight to Tel Aviv via Leonardo Da Vinci Airport in Rome. There’s a link over to your left that will tell you where and when I’m speaking in Jerusalem. I’ve yet to get the full address and whatnot. So you may have to look it up. Sorry about that!

It’s been a long strange trip through Europe. I’ve been to France, Poland, Germany, Finland, the Netherlands and Northern Ireland. This has been the most extensive tour I’ve done so far. I’ve met amazing people and seen amazing things. I’ve talked Zen in places I had never even heard of before setting out on this journey.

I want to thank all my hosts; Arnaud Peuch in France, Slawek Piela in Poland, Dirk Grosser and the folks at Aurum Publishing in Germany, Regina Oberndorfer in Frankfurt, Markus Laitinen in Finland and the lovely woman who lent me her Helsinki apartment whose name I’m totally unable to recall at this moment (I’m sorry! I’ve been so many places the brain is totally scrambled), Hanny van de Weerdt in The Netherlands, Gary and Julian in Northern Ireland and Andrew Deakin in London when I first arrived in Europe this year.

I gotta be up at 5 tomorrow morning so this will be a short entry. I have a longer one planned on “what is Buddhism” that will partly be a response to all the trolls who like to leave sarcastic comments about how I never quote Buddha himself, only my own teachers and sometimes Dogen. There’s actually a really important point to be made about that. So all you trolls, hurry up and get your sarcastic remarks in while there’s still time!

I’m not sure if I’ll have Internet access in Israel or not. And even if I do, I’m not sure I’ll have any time to post till I get back to North Carolina in about a week and some days.

I’m working on my Autumn Tour to promote the release of SEX, SIN AND ZEN (due out in September). I have a few tentative dates in the SF Bay area, New York, Montreal and Saskatoon. Anyone who wants me to come to their neck of the woods this Autumn should write to me and we’ll see what we can do. The address is brad.warner@mac.com.

So till then, stay sick, turn blue, scratch glass, climb walls and do it while you can but don’t get caught!


(bonus points to the first one who recognizes where that last line comes from)

32 comments:

Luke Devlin said...

Terrible time to be going to Israel, Brad. Disappointed you're not respecting the cultural boycott.

Brad Warner said...

Luke, it would not make a bit of positive difference at all for me to cancel my talk. Really, it would just be kind of comedic and a little egotistical to imagine I matter that much. If U2 canceled a concert or something, that would have meaning. Brad Warner canceling a talk? Seriously? Who would even notice?

I feel like I can have more influence by being there than by not being there.

Anonymous said...

Sex, Sin and Zen. I think I nailed the wrong 2/3!!!

Mason Moore said...

Wow Brad... Everyone should know that it's from The Ghoul. (At least I did.)

Luke Devlin said...

Well I noticed :-)
Hope some good comes of your time there. Ask awkward questions!
cheers

Trollbrother said...

Brad, you are so thin-skinned and defensive with easy to push buttons. We trolls wait with fishy smelling breath for you to tell us; "What is Buddhism?".

Arlo-TaylorGMeizlish said...

Brad, does this your doubtboy email is out of commission?

The Rinz said...
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Anonymous said...

why knot?

anon #108 said...

The Israeli's love their guns as much as they love their shopping.

Er...not all Israelis, Rinz.

captcha = sperspyc, as in sperspicacious.

Anonymous said...

One problem with boycotting Israel, if you live in the U.S., is that the U.S. is such a big supporter of Israel militarily and in foreign policy. Doesn't take a deep understanding of interconnectedness to figure out that there's something kind of strange about not addressing our own national involvement with these things.

Anonymous said...

"Er...not all Israelis, Rinz."

Well of course not ALL Israelis..

If someone had said that Americans love their guns and their shopping, no one would have bothered to argue against the point because it's so undeniable. It's also just as true with Israel. Officially, Israelis have learned to take situations, turn them around, and convince people to believe the opposite of what actually happened. That's government policy. Why a Buddhist would rush to defend poor Israel? I'm left scratching my head..

R to ? [@7:45 am] said...

“Officially, Israelis have learned to take situations, turn them around, and convince people to believe the opposite of what actually happened”.

Does it not take for an example?


I don’t even believe you’re scratching you’re head.


People are determined by blindness of heart or clarity of mind, - not by left wing or right wing political opinions.

anon #108 said...

Hi anon @7.45am,

If someone had said that Americans love their guns and their shopping, no one would have bothered to argue against the point because it's so undeniable.

Is it? No it's not. Many Amreicans, I guarantee, do not love guns, or shopping.

Why a Buddhist would rush to defend poor Israel?

Because of remarks like that, which assume that there is a "Buddhist" policy on Israel - and that anyone who hints at a more condidered reaction to the tragic goings-on in that part of the world other than blanket condemnation of "Israel" (what IS that??) is, for example, a non-Buddhist Zionist War-monger.

BTW, was I "defending Israel"? No I was not. Your assumption that I was, the assumption that all good Buddhists are bound to hold certain political views, and the assumptiom that the Israel(i)-Palestin(ian)/Gaza conflict - or ANY conflict - is easily understood is the reason why I made my very simple, very obvious point.

I'm sure that your intentions, like mine are good. That we can hold different views about such a seruious situation says all that need to be said...about different views.

Anonymous said...

R, I was thinking of the illegal interception of the international flotilla goods for Gaza that resulted in the deaths of at least nine civilians and the wounding of over 40. The Israeli government went to some lengths to spin that incident as they do whenever they are caught brutalizing poor people. I understand the situation over there but that was really uncalled for imo.

anon #108 said...

Hi 11.49am,

I know you're responding to Ran, but...

Your original comment was "Officially, Israelis have learned..."

You then wrote, "The Israeli government went to some lengths..."

So it was not the Israelis who (might have) "spun" that story*, but - if anyone - the current Israeli government (much of the Israeli press rushed to condemn the interception and the way it was handled - and not merely because it embarrassed Israel).

The Israeli government is not the individuals who live in Israel, who don't all sheepishly support its actions. No more than you, as (I guess) an American, agree with or are responsible for the doings of your government around the world.

*and I'm sure we'd disagree about just what was 'spun' by whom and how. Neither of us were there; what can we truly 'know'? Yes, I've seen the footage and read a few accounts...and still I'm sure we'd have a lengthy ding-dong about it and still not agree ;)

captcha = fereel. Fancy that!

anon @7.45am said...

108, I have few problems with the Israeli people other than the people they keep putting into office. I should have been clearer.

YKW [...] said...

- Just a few words to Mr. @ 7:45: [am]

Netanyahu won over Livni in the last elections by about 2-3 seats in a 120 members Knesset.

(The situation is quite complicated since in Israel there are many parties; - I might explain some other time.)

- Livni is quite clearly an honest woman. - Netanyahu is not.

You might say Livni didn’t get PM because she won't play dirty.

Netanyahu doesn’t really care.

Netanyahu quite clearly had some dirty deal (which he denies of course) with some other party.

This deal is one of the main reasons Livni wouldn’t go along with him.

Which is why he needed to get Lieberman, which he didn't particularly want to.

anon @7.45am said...

Be careful Ran.. Those are strong accusations. Neither of us were there. What can we truly 'know' about these things? We might guess that it was all about property rights. But we wouldn't want to damage Israel's reputation based on that kind of hear-say.

UN Peace Force said...

Anon@7.45, do you only do sarcasm? Don't you recognise olive branches when they're offered?

Mark Foote said...

hey, Brad,

I look forward to the lecture on the four truths, the six sense fields, and the intent concentration on in-breaths and out-breaths. Here's a favorite line for me, from the suttas:

""to one who knows thus, sees thus, there are no illusions that mine is the doer with respect to this consciousness-informed body". Ha ha, easily explained, sure.

But for cartoons, I invite you and the trolls to check out my animation: it's here:

The Bridge That Flows

take care and good luck,
Mark (if you get to Petaluma, give a call)

I am me [ak otherwise though] said...

I believe I’ve been quite careful in what I said. [1:27 pm.]

I think the story is well known in Israel.

When Olmart resigned, according to the law in Israel, - Livni can’t just take his place as PM (as the second in his party) but has to establish her government again for that purpose.

That is the existing Knesset has to vote and affirm a new government, and if they can’t do that it’s new elections.

There is one party in Israel (known as “Shas”) whose main demand in order to join a (government) coalition in Israel is money. They have their own independent educational system and they want money for that.

(I suppose these guys might quite be what Mysterion would think of them, - but that’s beside the point.)

- They wanted 1.6 milliard off Livni, and she was willing to go as high as 1 milliard.

- Had they been able to come to an agreement, Livni would have become PM, (maintaining the previous coalition actually, I suppose) and we wouldn’t get the last elections we got in Israel.

The deal I was talking about is that Netanyahu and Shas (- Yishai probably) agreed in advance that Shas will get the money from the Likud (Netanyahu’s party) and that Shas will join coalition with the Likud. [- i.e. - not one headed by Kadima; - i.e. Livni.]

It may be that due to that Shas also did not make reasonable demand to Livni, as they expected to join the Likud after elections anyway. (I don't know how much they got from the Likud eventually.)

I understand this is also somehow illegal, but I don’t really know how.

Livni has been quite more explicit in referring to it than I’ve been, (in my previous post) referring to the agreement between the Likud and Shas as one “,whose birth had been in sin,”.

One demand she made in order to go into the coalition with Netanyahu was for him to withdraw on an agreement with Shas, I don’t know the details - (and I can see your wondering, but that's what she said) quite justly - obviously, IMO.

(The agreement with Shas was likely also to stand as a barrier against progress in the negotiations with the Palestinians, [- these guys always seem to want what is wrong, there is some rabbi whose rulings they are suppose to be obliged to; a stupid guy in my view, but that’s so called “religious” law; I won’t get into that here] which Livni was interested in promoting.)

CynicalBoy said...

Our opinions
Easily shared. Dis-eases
Spread by Blog sneezes

Zenleo said...

"People are determined by blindness of heart or clarity of mind, - not by left wing or right wing political opinions."

I like this comment, not sure it's accurate though because it seems to me some people are driven
by their affiliation with a particular Political Party. Perhaps the root cause is their blindness or
their clarity, but if you believe that is true, then you could use that to political purposes. An example would be the blindness of the heart of this right-wing or left-wing zealot, depending on who you wished to attach or discredit.

I hope Brad has a book tour in Wisconsin Rapids on his way to or back from Minnesota, I purchased two more of Brads titles as well as : Confession of a Buddhist Atheist by Stephen Batchelor. Many comments in Batchelor's book remind me of talking points Brad brings up here frequently.

Well I took a politically charged message string and brought it back to the center. This is after all a Zen and Brad's message board and I know I get plenty of politics round about and round about.

Cheers

Dale

me again (and still) said...

- 1st - to 7:45 am - (- I once knew a girl called @ 7:46 am: - not related to you, by any chance, I suppose? - Family, I mean. I think her first name used to be June 16 1991. - I kid you not.) my main point @ 1:27 pm was that if only about 2% (of Israelis) had a different opinion (which seem to have been the situation a few months earlier, in case I remember correctly) the “people put into office” [see yours @ 12:55 pm, can't really tell if it's a boy or a girl, I guess I'm kind of old fashioned] might have been different.

- 2nd: - to Z [- aka “Dale”] - 1st - (I hope that ain’t confusing) you don't have to take my words that literally.

2nd - [- I mean 1st 2nd] "but if you believe that is true, then you could use that to political purposes" - you should not use.

[!!!]

You should see.

And - "An example would be the blindness of the heart of this right-wing or left-wing zealot, depending on who you wished to attach or discredit" - same here.

You should not wish to attach or discredit.

You should, or could, speak of what you see, if you do.

Extreme view, at both sides, might be the result of a blind heart. But those who blindly follow the stream might be found in the centre as well, imagining the views they hold are their own, while having received different education at a different time or place they have held totally different views, also blindly and often fervently imagining them to be their own.

However my main point may be perhaps that it would be a stupid man who would tend to imagine a person’s political views to be a significant part of his personality. I’d say Zen tells you what is, with time. And other ways too.

Two more btw: - 1. “Confession of a Buddhist Atheist” doesn’t sound like a person who wants to tell the truth to me, and this is the impression I got of Batchelor, though I know almost nothing of him. - I don’t mean he’s a liar, - but it doesn’t very daring.

And – 2. [with regard to 11:49 am] I see nothing wrong, basically, with the running of Israel regarding the incident on the ship on May 31st. (else than lack of intelligence with regard to the passengers intentions, and a serious one) I might explain some other time, and I don’t know what information has been brought to the world. (- However – if you see videos on YouTube you might easily see that referring to the incident as “brutalizing poor people” is ridiculous.)

sorry said...

- 9th paragraph - instead of “have held” - should be “would have held”.

also said...

- “doesn’t very daring” should be “doesn’t sound very daring”.

here's the whole thing again said...

- 1st - to 7:45 am - (- I once knew a girl called @ 7:46 am: - not related to you, by any chance, I suppose? - Family, I mean. I think her first name used to be June 16 1991. - I kid you not.) my main point @ 1:27 pm was that if only about 2% (of Israelis) had a different opinion (which seem to have been the situation a few months earlier, in case I remember correctly) the “people put into office” [see yours @ 12:55 pm, can't really tell if it's a boy or a girl, I guess I'm kind of old fashioned] might have been different.

- 2nd: - to Z [- aka “Dale”] - 1st - (I hope that ain’t confusing) you don't have to take my words that literally.

2nd - [- I mean 1st 2nd] "but if you believe that is true, then you could use that to political purposes" - you should not use.

[!!!]

You should see.

And - "An example would be the blindness of the heart of this right-wing or left-wing zealot, depending on who you wished to attach or discredit" - same here.

You should not wish to attach or discredit.

You should, or could, speak of what you see, if you do.

Extreme view, at both sides, might be the result of a blind heart. But those who blindly follow the stream might be found in the centre as well, imagining the views they hold are their own, while having received different education at a different time or place they would have held totally different views, also blindly, and often fervently, imagining them to be their own.

However, my main point may be perhaps that it would be a stupid man who would tend to imagine a person’s political views to be a significant part of his personality. - I’d say Zen tells you what is, with time. - And other ways too.




Two more btw: - 1. “Confession of a Buddhist Atheist” doesn’t sound like a person who wants to tell the truth to me, and this is the impression I got of Batchelor, though I know almost nothing of him. - I don’t mean he’s a liar, - but it doesn’t sound very daring.

And – 2. [with regard to 11:49 am] I see nothing wrong, basically, with the running of Israel regarding the incident on the ship on May 31st. (else than lack of intelligence with regard to the passengers intentions, and a serious one) I might explain some other time, and I don’t know what information has been brought to the world. (- However – if you see videos on YouTube you might easily see that referring to the incident as “brutalizing poor people” is ridiculous.)

Zenleo said...

me again (and still) said...

Thanks me again (and still)

aka sorry said...
aka here's the whole thing again said...

originally know as:
R to ? [@7:45 am] said...

Thanks again for your comments

R said...

Thanks for the thanks.

Originally known otherwise though.

Anonymous said...

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What exactly you're writing is a horrible mistake.