Friday, May 07, 2010

In France

I'm in France! Yay!

But I messed up. I announced the talks here would begin at 8pm. They begin at 7. Here's the info:

May 7, 2010 7:00pm - Limoges, Bibliothèque Francophone Multimédias 2 rue Louis-Longequeue 87032 Limoges
May 8, 2010 7:00pm - Toulouse, Salle Terres de Rencontres 47 route de Blagnac 31200 Toulouse.

Here's a song about France:

208 comments:

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Harry said...

Une!

john e mumbles said...

Dose!!

Brad Warner said...

I can always count on you, Harry. But then again, I'm in Europe and posting in a timezone only an hour removed from yours.

Harry said...

Welcome to the marvelous world of cheese eating and surrender monkery!

Hey, get the finger out of that demi bagette and organise an Irish date for us bog trotters.

Hope you're fully availing of the gayness of Paris.

Regards,

Surrender Monk.

anon #108 said...

Bonjour fellow fish and gods,


Apropos The Truth...

Don't confuse the truth with words written about the truth. The Truth cannot be a doctrine or a view; a philosophy or a religion.

The Sanskrit for 'truth' is also the word for 'reality': satya, from the root sat, meaning 'being, existing, occurring, happening'. That's nice, I think - the truth is what is - everything that is, not a statement, view, practice or philosophy about what is.

For me, (paradoxically?) 'Buddhism' gets closest to being a philosophy/religion/practice that recognises that.

But should I care that other people don't agree - that some other people believe other philosophies and religions to be 'The Truth'? No, I don't think I should.

Other people, AFAIC, can believe and do whatever they hell they want - they do and they always will. The only business I have bothering about other people's business is if other people interfere with my freedom to believe and do what I want to believe and do. Otherwise, if they're content with their belief; if it helps them to live, on what basis have I the right to tell then they're wrong, and should believe what I believe? A belief, any belief, cannot be 'true' - beliefs are contingent. Here's a quote from Dogen, a philosopher of the Buddhist faith:

" ...the great ocean is not round, and it is not square. Other qualities of the ocean are inexhaustibly many: to fishes it is like a palace and to gods it is like a string of pearls. But as far as our eyes can see, it just appears to be round...we see and understand only as far as our eyes of learning in practice are able to reach."

(from Genjo-koan)

What can being "wrong" about the truth possibly mean?

Ca va.

Ran K. said...

I mentioned since about the time I got to this blog I’ve had some criticism with regard to the comment section.

Brad said it got better recently. It did. But then it might got a bit worse just after. I don’t know. I don’t read so much anymore.

Cynicalboy has expressed some at the time [is he still around] but it isn’t exactly what I mean.

Brad still seemed to have some criticism even though he said it got better.

Anyway – I’ve long been waiting to post this:

I came to remember this which to me seemed to aim at just what the matter is: (some might remember I’ve posted this before and I’ve been waiting long to post it again)


The third function concerns speech. The student should utter no word that is devoid of sense and meaning; all talking for the sake of talking draws him away from his path. He must avoid the usual kind of conversation, with its promiscuous discussion of indiscriminately varied topics. This does not imply his preclusion from intercourse with his fellows. It is precisely in such intercourse that his conversation should develop to significance. He is ready to converse with everyone, but he does so thoughtfully and with thorough deliberation. He never speaks without grounds for what he says. He seeks to use neither too many nor too few words.”.

It is not a Buddhist text.

Therefore you might replace the word “deliberation” with “mindfulness”.

But else than this this would seem to me to hit the point exactly.


As I don’t read the comments anymore lately I can’t tell how exact it would be – however I believe in the spirit it couldn’t miss.

(I hope you will not consider my words to be a product of conceit or something of the sort.

There were many times I wanted to comment here but have given it up for not being able to dedicate the time to write things as I saw properly.)


The quoted itself is from instruction Steiner gives his students, i.e. - following the path he indicates - which is not a Buddhist one.

At the same time it may be said that is Steiner’s interpretation – perhaps – of the third lane of the eightfold path indicated in Buddhism.

Seen as such – it seems to me most suitable for modern times. [- !]

To view this properly one might need to view all eight elements of this instruction and I intend to post this here later. (This can also be found in the above link. (- Don’t get lost there.))

As for and with reference to what Steiner is saying – he points to these eight elements of instruction properly shaping eight of the petals of the chakra known in Yoga as the chakra of space. (Which Steiner refers to as the lotus flower of sixteen petals.)

I see no doubt that this here points to the reason why Gautama Buddha has given the instruction of the path at the time.

Though he did not think right to give the explanation.



[Having written all that – I would like to add that I am not sure at all that the way (known as “Anthroposophy”) Steiner is prescribing is a true one, - (though I do not doubt his good intentions) that I am quite confident he is wrong about certain things, - and that Anthroposophy above mentioned does not lead to what we call Buddhahood, but “merely” to initiation.

However – the element of his teaching relevant here seems responsible beyond any reasonable doubt.

Though again so I am not misunderstood – I do not expect for anyone to accept. Just to consider and absorb and do as he feels right. I have written this before. Long ago. Go check.]

john e mumbles said...

108 and RAN... you boys DO go on! and on and on about...do your own thing I'll do mine? But... (you're both saying) mine's better for me, just in case you're wondering? Is that about it?

(sings:)

You say Zen Buddhism, I say Rudolf Steiner

Personally I like Judaism, what could be finer?

Buddhism, Steiner, Judaism, Shriners,

Let's call the whole thing off!

(Captcha reads: balsi)

Mumon said...

No time Toulouse

jumpy said...

Can anyone make it all the way through one of Ran K's comments without thinking about the relief that jumping off a tall building might bring?

The whole eight said...

The first is the way in which ideas and conceptions are acquired. In this respect people usually allow themselves to be led by chance alone. They see or hear one thing or another and form their ideas accordingly. As long as this is the case the sixteen petals of the lotus flower remain ineffective. It is only when the student begins to take his self-education in hand, in this respect, that the petals become effective. His ideas and conceptions must be guarded; each single idea should acquire significance for him; he should see it in a definite message instructing him concerning the things of the outer world, and he should derive no satisfaction from ideas devoid of such significance. He must govern his mental life so that it becomes a true mirror of the outer world, and direct his effort to the exclusion of incorrect ideas from his soul.

The second of these functions is concerned with the control of resolutions. The student must not resolve upon even the most trifling act without well-founded and thorough consideration. Thoughtless and meaningless actions should be foreign to his nature. He should have well-considered grounds for everything he does, and abstain from everything to which no significant motive urges him.

The third function concerns speech. The student should utter no word that is devoid of sense and meaning; all talking for the sake of talking draws him away from his path. He must avoid the usual kind of conversation, with its promiscuous discussion of indiscriminately varied topics. This does not imply his preclusion from intercourse with his fellows. It is precisely in such intercourse that his conversation should develop to significance. He is ready to converse with everyone, but he does so thoughtfully and with thorough deliberation. He never speaks without grounds for what he says. He seeks to use neither too many nor too few words.

The fourth is the regulation of outward action. The student tries to adjust his actions in such a way that they harmonize with the actions of his fellow-men and with the events in his environment. He refrains from actions which are disturbing to others and in conflict with his surroundings. He seeks to adjust his actions so that they combine harmoniously with his surroundings and with his position in life. When an external motive causes him to act he considers how he can best respond. When the impulse proceeds from himself he weighs with minute care the effects of his activity.

The whole eight said...

The fifth function includes the management of the whole of life. The student endeavors to live in accordance with both nature and spirit. Balancing overhastiness and indolence. Excessive activity and laziness are equally foreign to him. He views life as a means for work and productiveness and disposes it accordingly. He regulates his habits and the care of his health in such a way that produces a harmonious whole as an outcome.

The sixth is concerned with human endeavor. The student experiments his capacities and proficiency, and conducts himself in the light of such self- knowledge. He attempts nothing beyond his powers, yet seems to omit nothing within their scope. On the other hand, he sets himself aims that have to do with the ideals and the great duties of being human. He does not mechanically regard himself as a wheel in the vast machinery of the universe but seeks to comprehend the tasks of his life, and to look out beyond the limit of the daily and trivial. At the same time he does not necessarily merely rely upon conceptual imagination but might freely rely upon inspiration and intuition as well, - in accord with his ability as referred to above. He endeavors to fulfill his obligations ever better and more perfectly though not in conflict with harmony.

The seventh deals with the effort to learn as much from life as possible. Nothing passes before the student without giving him occasion to accumulate experience which is of value to him for life. If he has performed anything inaccurately or imperfectly, he allows this be an incentive for meeting the same contingency later on with greater rightness and perfection. The acts of others he observes with similar attitude. He attempts to gather a rich accumulation of experience, ever counseling when in need of resolution; nor indeed will he ever do anything without looking back on his experience from which he can derive help in his decisions and affairs.

Finally, the eighth is as follows: The student must, from time to time, glance introspectively into himself, sink back into himself, take counsel with himself, form and test the fundamental principles of his life, run over in his thoughts the sum total of his whole knowledge, weigh his duties or missions, and reflect upon the content and possible aim of his life.”.

anon #108 said...
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Ran said...

You can jump mumby, it's fine with me.

anon #108 said...

Hi John e,

You've been known to go on yourself ;)

Can I help it if Ran K decides to post at the same time? And, as I read Ran, when I bother, he's saying something quite different - more like "you're all wrong".

Ran K. said...

My point is that Steiner's instruction could be adequate for the very posting here at the blog.

As I see it following his instruction would make the posting itself Buddhist practice.

And in general - as I roughly said, - I think Steiner’s interpretation of the [eightfold] path would be most appropriate for modern times.

pancake said...

108: Did you get Brad over to see the band?

anon #108 said...

Hello pancake,

Sadly, Brad couldn't make it. Like he said, he had to get up 3am this morning to get his connection. I have decided to accept his apology...this time.


And sorry, john e, I didn't answer your question -

"But... (you're both saying) mine's better for me, just in case you're wondering? Is that about it?"

No.

john e mumbles said...

108 "For me(paradoxically?) 'Buddhism' gets closest to being a philosophy/religion/practice that recognises that."


"Other people, AFAIC, can believe and do whatever they hell they want - they do and they always will."

Sounds like...

Anonymous said...

"Leilani and I fucked way more than Richard Baker ever did, I'm sure. We'd been saving it up for weeks, having no place we could be alone. I had no idea sex could be that intense."

- Brad Warner, Zen Wrapped in Karma Dipped in Chocolate

anon #108 said...

Ok john e...but those aren't the only two sentences I wrote, are they?

I'd say what I was getting at is more accurately summarised by "What can being "wrong" about the truth possibly mean?"...or by the Dogen quote. But I don't like summaries. Not when you can read the whole thing in 2 minutes.

Make of it what you will. It's not great art - it's a blog comment.

Ran K. said...

Introducing, Plumline. Plumline is a new online Sangha in the tradition of Thich Nhat Hanh.

Plumline was started for those of us who are disabled or otherwise unable to attend a traditional Sangha. This is such a wonderful gift from modern technology to those of us who would otherwise not have any contact with other Buddhists. I thank those who have made this possible. What a blessing!!!

Buddhism is such a wonderful path as it is able to adapt to the times and changes of the evolution of life and society. It is after all all about dealing with change with grace and peace.

~Peace to all beings!!~

anon #108 said...
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anon #108 said...

Thanks 8.03am.

Is it you that keeps posting that ZWIKDIC quote every once in a while, or is there a group of you sharing the load?

Hey john - captch = susism. Fancy that!

Anonymous said...

anon#108,

I don't think there is any formal organization among us anons. I'm just doing my small part. Copied and pasted from an earlier entry. Maybe some other anon will jump in from here and carry on this tradition.

Anonymous said...

anon@803, get over it already.. apparently you had no idea either.

captcha : legma : I kid you not

Anonymous said...

"Maybe some other anon will jump in from here and carry on this tradition."

Jesus, I hope not. It's pretty annoying.

Anonymous said...

"anon@803, get over it already.. apparently you had no idea either."

I literally had NO IDEA that sex could be that intense.

To wit:

"Leilani and I fucked way more than Richard Baker ever did, I'm sure. We'd been saving it up for weeks, having no place we could be alone. I had no idea sex could be that intense."

- Brad Warner, Zen Wrapped in Karma Dipped in Chocolate

Anonymous said...

"The greatest prayer is patience"

War said...

It's not me @ 8:09 am.

I'm not even bothering to use my account.

Fuck whoever it is.

Ran.

Anonymous said...

"I literally had NO IDEA that sex could be that intense."

@803: just wait till you try it. you'll be so surprised.

john e mumbles said...

108: It was not really the content, or the length (well...) of your post followed by RAN's that prompted my impromptu remarks and song, it was:

Brad just posted a correction to his itinerary, how/why the hell did those guys go off on tangents like that?

But then you might as well ask why the Sun is blue.

Rich said...

108 said
"The only business I have bothering about other people's business is if other people interfere with my freedom to believe and do what I want to believe and do."

How can other people interfere with your freedom to believe? And isn't believing and doing separate - you seem to have lumped them together. I can't stop you from thinking but I can stop or make you fall -)

Harry said...

Strange as usual, - isn't it?

John Wesley Hardin said...

""Leilani and I fucked way more than Richard Baker ever did, I'm sure. We'd been saving it up for weeks, having no place we could be alone. I had no idea sex could be that intense."

- Brad Warner, Zen Wrapped in Karma Dipped in Chocolate"

Thank you for posting that, anonymous dude. It has everything I like about Brad in it; brashness, naivete and honesty.

Ran said...

- As for mumby's @ 8:49 am: - I was acually waiting for Brad to post some meaningless post so that I could post this. I've been waiting since the time I posted it first - sometime after the Jundo thing.

Ran K. said...

I also wanted to share this as well:

Yoga is more than just a physical discipline. It is a way of life—a rich philosophical path. And the yamas (restraints) and niyamas (observances) are ten good common-sense guidelines for leading a healthier, happier life for bringing spiritual awareness into a social context. They are for you to think about and ponder over with a rational mind, because yoga is not about mindlessly accepting externally imposed rules—it is about finding the truth for yourself—and 'connecting' with it.

Yamas:
There are many interpretations of and opinions about the yamas and niyamas. While the ancient Indian text, the Bhagavata Purana assigns 12 yogic restraints the Parashar Smriti, another text, puts forward ten. But the yamas as described in Patanjali's Yoga Sutra are only five, which are also known as the great universal vows or the sarvabhauma maha vratas, because they are not limited by either class, creed, time or circumstances. They are the guidelines for how we interact with the outer world, the social disciplines to guide us in our relationships with others. These five are:

• Ahimsa (non-violence),
• Satya (truthfulness),
• Asteya (non-stealing),
• Brahmacharya (celibacy) and
• Aparigraha (non-covetousness)

According to the Yajnavalkya Samhita, ahimsa or non-violence is the awareness and practice of non-violence in thought, speech and action. It advocates the practices of compassion, love, understanding, patience, self-love, and worthiness.

Patanjali describes truthfulness as: "To be in harmony with mind, word and action, to conduct speech and mind according to truth, to express through speech and to retain it in the intellect what has been seen, understood or heard." A perfectly truthful person is he who expresses in his speech exactly what he thinks in his mind and in the end acts according to it.

Ran K. said...

Non-stealing or asteya is the third constituent of the yamas of Ashtanga Yoga. It upholds forgoing the unauthorized possession of thought, speech and action. Asteya stands against covetousness and envy. It advocates the cultivation of a sense of completeness and self-sufficiency in order to progress beyond base cravings.

The Vedas, Smritis and Puranas all glorify the fourth constituent of celibacy. It is believed to be a behavior, which brings man nearer to the Divine. This yama believes in avoiding all sensual pleasures, whether mental, vocal or physical.

The literal meaning of apigraha, the fifth yama, is the non-accumulation of worldly objects, caused by covetousness and attachment. The commentator Vyasa says that this last state of yama is attained when one remains totally detached from sensual pleasures of all kinds and so effectively refrains from committing himsa or violence of any sort.

Ran K. said...

Niyamas:

The niyamas are the second constituents of Ashtanga Yoga. How we interact with ourselves, our internal world. The niyamas are about self-regulation—helping us maintain a positive environment in which to grow. Their practice harnesses the energy generated from the cultivation of the earlier yamas. According to sage Yajnavalkya, there are ten niyamas and the Bhagavad Gita lists 11 constituents. But Patanjali names only five:

• Shaucha or purity,
• Santosha or contentment,
• Tapa or austerity,
• Swadhyaya or self-education and
• Ishwar-Pranidhan or meditation on the Divine

Shaucha implies both external as well as internal purity. In the words of sage Manu, water purifies the body; truthfulness the mind; true knowledge the intellect and the soul is purified by knowledge and austerity. It advocates the practices of intellectual purity, purity of speech and of the body.

The second niyama is that of contentment, which is described as not desiring more than what one has earned by his honest labor. This state of mind is about maintaining equanimity through all that life offers. Santosha involves the practice of gratitude and joyfulness—maintaining calm at all costs. This state of mind does not depend on any external causes.

Austerity, the third niyama, is described in Yoga philosophy as power to stand thirst and hunger, cold and heat, discomforts of place and postures, silent meditation and ritual fasts. It also maintains that the perfect man is he who practices both mental as well as physical austerity.

According to the commentator Vyas, self-education or swadhyaya consists of scriptural studies. The scripture being, the Vedas and Upanishads together with the recitation of the Gayatri Mantra and the Om mantra.

Commentators describe Ishwar-Pranidhan, the last of the niyamas, as the dedication of all our actions, performed either by intellect, speech or body, to the Divine. The results of all such actions are by definition, therefore, dependent upon Divine decision. The mortal mind can simply aspire to realize the Divine through dedication, purification, tranquilization and concentration of the mind. This Divine contemplation spills over to all aspects of the yogi's life.

Rinzai till i die said...

Mission accomplished Ran. But what have you accomplished? The only things that sell on the internet and on this forum are hardcore pornography and extremist diatribes. If it doesn't fall into one of those two categories then my mind just kind of wanders you know and it's like we're all part of this great thing but most of us won't see it...and the beliefs man... they hold us back...and where the fuck am I going here...

I'm gonna hop over to the Perez Hilton blog and try to collect myself.

R said...

I took the liberty of introducing my own corrections, or modifications, to the (translated) text.


Also I found the original YouTube video which “has been removed due to terms of use violation”.


Consider and enjoy. [- if you will]



(special dedication to mamby)

tWE II (corrections by Ran) said...

The first is the way in which ideas and conceptions are acquired. In this respect people usually allow themselves to be led by chance alone. They see or hear one thing or another and form their ideas accordingly. As long as this is the case the sixteen petals of the lotus flower remain ineffective. It is only when the student begins to take his self-education in hand, in this respect, that the petals become effective. His ideas and conceptions must be guarded; each single idea should acquire significance for him; he should see it in a definite message instructing him concerning the things of the outer world, and he should not derive satisfaction from ideas devoid of such significance. He must govern his mental life so that it becomes a true mirror of the outer world, and direct his efforts to the exclusion of incorrect ideas from his mind.

The second of these functions is concerned with the control of resolutions. The student must not resolve upon even the most trifling act without well-founded and thorough consideration. Thoughtless and meaningless actions should be foreign to his nature. He should have well-considered grounds for everything he does, and caution himself from everything to which no significant motive urges him.

The third function concerns speech. The student should utter no word that is devoid of sense and meaning; all talking for the sake of talking draws him away from his path. He must avoid the usual kind of conversation, with its promiscuous discussion of indiscriminately varied topics. This does not imply his preclusion from intercourse with his fellows. It is precisely in such intercourse that his conversation should develop to significance. He is ready to converse with everyone, but he does so thoughtfully and with thorough mindfulness. He never speaks without grounds for what he says. He seeks to use neither too many nor too few words.

The fourth is the regulation of outward action. The student tries to adjust his actions in such a way that they harmonize with the actions of his fellow-men and with the events in his environment. He refrains from actions which are a disturbance to others and in conflict with his surroundings. He seeks to adjust his actions so that they combine harmoniously with his surroundings and with his situation in life. When an external motive causes him to act he would considers how he is to best respond. When the impulse proceeds from himself he would weigh with minute care the [possible] effects of his action.

tWE II (cbR) said...

The fifth function includes the management of the whole of life. The student endeavors to live in accordance with both nature and spirit. Balancing overhastiness and indolence. Excessive activity and laziness are equally foreign to him. He views life as a means for work and productiveness and disposes it accordingly. He regulates his habits and the care of his health in such a way that produces a harmonious whole as an outcome.

The sixth is concerned with human endeavor. The student experiments his capacities and proficiency, and conducts himself in the light of such self- knowledge. He attempts nothing beyond his powers, yet seems to omit nothing within their scope. On the other hand, he sets himself aims that have to do with the ideals and the great duties of being human. He does not mechanically regard himself as a wheel in the vast machinery of the universe but seeks to comprehend the tasks of his life, and to look out beyond the limit of the daily and trivial. At the same time he does not necessarily merely rely upon conceptual imagination but might freely rely upon inspiration and intuition as well, - in accord with his ability as referred to above. He endeavors to fulfill his obligations ever better and more perfectly though not in conflict with harmony.

The seventh deals with the effort to learn as much from life as possible. Nothing passes before the student without giving him occasion to accumulate experience which is of value to him for life. If he has performed anything inaccurately or imperfectly, he allows this be an incentive for meeting the same contingency later on with greater rightness and perfection. The acts of others he observes with similar attitude. He attempts to gather a rich accumulation of experience, ever counseling when in need of resolution; nor indeed will he ever do anything without looking back on his experience from which he can derive help in his decisions and affairs.

Finally, the eighth is as follows: The student must, from time to time, glance introspectively into himself, sink back into himself, take counsel with himself, form and test the fundamental principles of his life, run over in his thoughts the sum total of his whole knowledge, weigh his duties or missions, and reflect upon the content and possible aim of his life.”.

Anonymous said...

Wow, riveting discussion. Quick, someone start slamming Jundo again or something.

Ran K. said...

Rtid - (- or Rtyd) I don't really get it: - you [- really] think I posted the three ones before yours?

Looks like mumb to me.

Rinzai till i die said...

See what I mean?

john e mumbles said...

This is why I posted Harry's @ 8:57 am.

Harry said...

Note to (other) self,

Yes, how colourfully bizarre!

Regards,

Harry.

Genpo to Harry said...

I am your true self, man.

Don't get that wrong.

Cheers

Anonymous said...

This site isn't secure. We're being hacked. Leave now people. It's all part of Brad's plan for world domination.

Bambi Killer said...

It is also possible to copy a blogger's picture, - but it's not worth the trouble.

Recall my karma, - 108?

john e mumbles said...

The "real" JEM sez: Hacked to be sure, but who cares?

No no no it ain't me babe, it ain't me that your lookin' for babe...

Dustin Hoffman in Hero, " People are always talking to you about the truth. Everybody always know what the truth is, like it was toilet paper or something and they got a supply of it in the closet. But what you learn as you get older is that there ain't no truth. All there is, is bullshit, layers of it. One layer of bullshit on top of another. And what you do in life, like as you get older, is you pick your layer of bullshit you prefer, and it's your bullshit."

Or sombody else using your name's bullshit.

john e mumbles said...

RAN K at 8:09,

"Plumline was started for those of us who are disabled..."

Are you aware of the blog over at Tricycle Community:
'Disabled and Chronic Illness'?

Good stuff.

Anonymous said...

Ran K. isn't @ 8:09.

Is @ 8:24.

Anonymous said...

Disabled can't tell.

Anonymous said...

It's like toilet stall graffiti. No one cares who is who.

anonymous said...

Brad, while I like and agree with most of what you write, your refutation of James' good points of internet zen was so transparently self-serving and the poor reasoning and obvious rationalizations that you used were so silly that I was actually embarrassed for you.

If James had suggested that internet zen gave men erections or caused intense orgasms, you'd probably have gone on about how erections aren't really good for you and orgasms are just trippy experiences that hurt your zen practice.

Ran K. said...

Sick of this childish shit. I'm done here. If you see 'me' supposedly posting again it's that fucking child.

anon #108 said...

jem: why the hell did those guys go off on tangents like that?

It was time.

Rich: How can other people interfere with your freedom to believe?

Good point. I was thinking of repressive governments/censorship/fundamentalist nutters, all of whom can make it difficult or impossible to express apsects of what you believe. But I guess you're right that I can still believe it.

...And isn't believing and doing separate - you seem to have lumped them together.

A picky point, Rich. Perhaps I should have written or rather than and.

Hey - what about the point I was trying to make? Is it so obvious/so obscure that no one's bothered? I'm all fussy-irrelevant-point-justified out. Nah...must've made it so well there's nothing more to say. That's it :)
****************************************************

Hi Anonymous with the scary picture,

"The Medium is the message...is a phrase coined by Marshall McLuhan meaning that the form of a medium embeds itself in the message, creating a symbiotic relationship by which the medium influences how the message is perceived." I agree.

john e mumbles said...

Ran K. -so you didn't post the Plumbline post at 8:09 AM?

I was being sincere about the Tricycle group, honest.

The Spanish Brad Warner said...

The basis of all Catholic moral teaching is our belief in the God who created all things and in Jesus who taught us even better how to live. We believe we are created in God's image and that we, and all creation, are basically good. Yet we recognize our own tendencies toward evil, especially in an excess of our desires. The Ten Commandments are part of the code known to the early Israelites that helped them to live better lives in relationship with Yahweh. We believe in the same values, with certain changes because of our knowledge of Jesus Christ.

We believe Jesus, as God become human "God among us," has most truly shown us how to live. Our moral life is based on trying to live and treat others as Jesus did. The Bible is the primary source for information on the life of Jesus. In it, we find that the Reign of God (or Kingdom of God) is the central focus of Jesus' teaching.

Exactly what the Reign of God might mean is not clear. However, we know that it is a way of living which transforms us when we live it and transforms the world when our actions are consistent with it. At the core of the teaching are the two commandments: "Love the Lord, your God, with your whole heart, your whole soul, your whole mind, and with all your strength" and "Love your neighbor as yourself." This implies that a certain selflessness is an intrinsic part of the Reign of God, where we treat others as though they were Christ, since we see Christ in them.

Jesus demanded faith of his followers (miracles only happened for people of faith) and ongoing conversion (repentance), recognizing that we will never do all that we could. But Jesus challenged all to become his disciples, leaving home and possessions, and "taking up your cross." Thus, it is not always easy to follow his teachings. The Catholic Church maintains this ideal, that we all should be trying to live a perfect life. Since we know that it is not possible, we have sacraments like Reconciliation, penitential rites at Mass, and one time during the year (Lent) when we try to focus on our own lives and how we are continually called to be better. We must, as Jesus' followers, always continue to strive to be better, without focusing on the mistakes of the past.

john e mumbles said...

108 dude, what WAS your point exactly? (in 20 or less words:)

Mysterion said...

They have a lot of places to pee in France. You need that if you are old and drink a lot of coffee...

Why do we say: "I'm taking a pee."

when we are leaving pee?

(?)

What is the sound of one pee dropping?

Anonymous said...

63

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swossant-nerf

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time to leave this burning building of a blog.

Ran K. said...

In Japan, Seagal taught English, and studied zen, aikido, kendo, judo and karate. He is said to have become adept at all of them.

Question: Were you introduced to Buddhism as an off-shoot of your martial arts discipline?

Seagal: Well, to be honest with you I am not sure. I was born with a serious spiritual consciousness and for many years studied different paths. I went to Japan in the late sixties and began Zen sitting. I visited monasteries, studying Buddhism and receiving spiritual instruction. This was the beginning for me, the way I believed it should be—the development of a physical man through martial arts and polishing the spiritual side simultaneously.

Mysterion said...

BTW the Buddhist take on a deity is this (and no more than this):

If god exists, let him.

As for Yhwh, historically (textual history) he was son of El so Jesus would be the grandson of god (Yhwh's son). The chances that a historical figure of this nature existed are 0.0000001%. Of 273 writers in the region at the (supposed) time, all 273 were mute on the point. Only the famous forgery in Josephus (who is also suspect) mentions a "Jesus."

Qumran/DSS reads:
Deuteronomy 32:8: When the Most High (e.g. Big daddy god) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of manm, he set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of El (e.g. Big daddy god).

LXX (Greek) reads:
Deuteronomy 32:8 When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of man, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God.

A demotion to angel...

Busted for eating mushrooms, no doubt.

anon #108 said...

...can make it difficult or impossible to express apsects of what you believe. But I guess you're right that I can still believe it.

WTF, 108?! I can still believe what you believe??


Excellent point, me.

Ram K. said...

Question: What meditation practices do you do?

Seagal: I do ngondro, I do guru yoga, this is a great form of meditation for me. I do secret practices that I am empowered to do.

Ran K. said...

Seagal: There are people who had said to me that I am an incarnate lama, or tulku. Penor Rinpoche basically recognized me as Kyung-drak Dorje, who was the reincarnation of the translator Yudra Nyingpo. According to Jamgon Kongtrul’s Lives of the Tertons, Yudra Nyingpo was a disciple of the great translator Berotsana and became both an outstanding scholar and an accomplished meditation master. Many of his reincarnations, such as the Minling translator Lochen Dharma-shri, were able to contribute to Buddhism and it seems that he has taken rebirth as a number of tertons (treasure-revealers).

From the time that I started going to India and meditating I did start getting memories that were fairly unclear. Just a few days ago, I was sitting with a lama and one of the things he said to me was that you have a very good imprint of many strong past lives, and therefore your realization will come more swiftly than some people’s.

I have given teachings recently. Always on Buddha’s teachings. The Dalai Lama has said to me to concentrate on bodhicitta.

Anonymous said...

boooring

T said...

I'm never bored. If I can sit for 8 days straight as sesshin, then this is nothing. I could even probably survive 25 Ran K. posts.

Anonymous said...

clever

john e mumbles said...

A 23-year-old former model claims she interviewed with Seagal last February for the position of executive assistant. Kayden Nguyen says she got the job, but when she showed up for work, she learned, "Mr. Seagal had been keeping two young female Russian 'Attendants' on staff who were available for his sexual needs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/12/steven-seagal-sexual-assault-lawsuit-executive-assistant-kayden-nguyen/5/#ixzz0nHQ5a7LW

Harry said...

Re: Saint Seagull and his pernicious pecker...

Well, I think commentator number 72 at that site has all the moral and intellectual bases covered on this issue:

"I'm so glad I'm gay!!! Bitches be gettin crazier every year."

Regards,

Harry (the 'real' one?)

Brad Warner said...

No. Sorry. Can't make any sense at all of what's posted here this time.

Anonymous said...

It took place on February 2, 2001, and the feds caught it all on audio tape. Two made members of the Mafia and an associate had met to discuss the shakedown of a Hollywood movie star. The actor was a martial artist who specialized in playing tough-guy heroes on the big screen.

Throughout his career, the star had made several claims of real-life heroics, including black-ops jobs for the CIA and encounters with organized crime figures around the world.

The actor also apparently had a fixation with urban Italian-Americans, claiming at one time to be half-Italian when in reality his mother was Irish and his father Jewish. In one of his films, he played an Italian-American detective with close ties to the old neighborhood and the hoods who infested it. In one scene, the hero sits down for espresso with the local boss, showing him the same respect that any of his soldiers would.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps this is why the real mobsters at the wiretapped meeting were having a good chuckle as they recounted a visit that a couple of them had paid on action-star Steven Seagal. On the FBI tape, they say that the tough-guy actor was "petrified." At this meeting Anthony "Sonny" Ciccone, an alleged capo in New York's Gambino organized-crime family, and his "right-hand man," Primo Cassarino, joked with Vincent Nasso about Seagal's less than heroic reactions to their shakedown attempts.

The whole situation brought out the "Paulie Walnuts" in Cassarino. "I wish we had a gun on us," he says on the tape, "that would have been funny."

Anonymous said...

It wasn't Seagal's first meeting with these men. In December 2000, the same group had showed up in Toronto on the set of Seagal's film, Exit Wounds.

This time they brought along 350-pound Richard "the Lump" Bondi, an enforcer for the family, hoping to get their point across to the actor. Seagal had severed his relationship with Jules Nasso, having decided to stop making violent action films on the advice of his spiritual guru. But Ciccone and company weren't interested in Seagal's spiritual awakening.

Nasso had already lined up four action-adventure projects for him—Genghis Khan, Blood on the Moon, Smash and Grab, and Prince of Central Park—all of them in the slam-bang style that had made Seagal famous. The Gambino family wanted him to keep making action films, and they also wanted him to pay them $150,000 for each of his futures projects.

Anonymous said...

At the Gage and Tollner's meeting, Ciccone said to Seagal, "Look at me when I talk to you. We're proud people ... Work with Jules and we'll split the pie." Primo Cassarino later took Seagal aside and told him, "If you would have said the wrong thing, they would have killed you."

When the feds eavesdropped on the mobsters' conversations about Seagal, the wiseguys and their associates seemed pretty confident that they had the tough-guy actor running scared, and they thought it was absolutely hilarious. Vincent Nasso was caught on tape saying, "It was like right out of the movies."

Anonymous said...

Seagal gave an interview for the Los Angeles Times in which he obliquely referred to work he'd done for the CIA in Japan. "They saw my abilities, both with martial arts and with the language," he said. "You could say that I became an advisor to several CIA agents in the field and through my friends in the CIA, met many powerful people and did special works and special favors."

According to Vanity Fair, his first wife stated flatly, "He was never in the CIA."

Undaunted by public skepticism, Seagal made further claims, saying at various times that he was a superb rider, a deadly marksmen, an authority on antique samurai swords, and fluent in four languages. His third film, which co-starred LeBrock, was called Hard to Kill, but to many in the Hollywood community, the newly minted star was becoming hard to believe.

Seagal apparently began to believe his own press. On the set of one movie, he challenged a stuntman, who was a black belt in judo, to try to choke him out, a judo technique in which pressure is applied to the carotid artery in the neck until the victim is rendered temporarily unconscious. According to one source, Seagal claimed to be impervious to the technique. He was wrong. The producers of the film became frantic when they saw their NBA-sized star lying unconscious on the ground.

While Seagal professed to be a man of eastern spirituality, he was starting to behave like the tough guys he played. He applied for a permit to carry a concealed weapon and even had a tuxedo tailored to accommodate two handguns.

Anonymous said...

Seagal had already veered off onto another freeway on his spiritual journey. Through the late nineties, he sought out healers and holy men, often donating large sums to their causes. He settled on Buddhism and followed the teachings of Penor Rinpoche. In 1997 Seagal's teacher declared him a tulku, the embodiment of lama Chungdrag Dorje, the founder of a 17th century Tibetan monastery.

In a sacred ceremony in Tibet, he was given the title Terton Rinpoche, "precious jewel."

He took to wearing brightly colored silk robes, and visitors to his California homes reported that his staff waited on him hand and foot and always respectfully referred to him as "Rinpoche."

Anonymous said...

On February 11, 2003, Steven Seagal arrived at the Federal Courthouse in Brooklyn, wearing, as Anthony DeStefano reported in Newsday, "a chocolate-colored silk Mandarin jacket and blue jeans." He had a "deep tan," having just flown in from Thailand where he was shooting his latest film, Belly of the Beast. But despite his Eastern garb, Seagal was not at peace with the world that day. He clearly did not want to be there, but he'd been subpoenaed to testify for the prosecution in the government's attempt to put away 17 alleged members and associates of the Gambino crime family. The various defense attorneys made it plain that they had their legal knives sharpened for the movie star.

As George Santangelo, Sonny Ciccone's attorney, put it, Seagal was a "pathological liar," and the attorneys for the defense aimed to prove it for the jury.

The attorneys were going to ask Seagal about several things, including an alleged incident in Japan where he angered a member of the Yakuza by getting involved with the man's girlfriend. Allegedly Seagal sought help from the American Mafia to handle the situation.

Seagal did not relish having his elaborately constructed mystique picked apart by lawyers. For four hours, the defense circled and jabbed at Seagal. Many of Seagal's claims from the past came back to haunt him. He was asked at one point if he had once hired "someone to set up a man in a compromising homosexual situation."

Seagal exploded. "I'm not on trial here! ... This is crazy."

Be said...

It might be time to make use of Gniz's blog again.. This is giving me a headache. I kid you not.

Anonymous said...

Brad should spend more time reading mainstream buddhist texts or even mainstream zen texts (not just Dogen).

And not just his teacher's queer interpretations of Dogen.

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

Do they really eat French Fries w/ MAYO in France? If so, that's so gay.

I took French in jr. and high school. Don't remember anything about it.

Anonymous said...

5.59pm -

"Brad should spend more time...and not just..."

How do you know what Brad or anybody else does with their time? It's none of your fucking business anyway. If you got no respect for the guy, you should fuck off somewhere else.

Some of you trolls are fucking obsessed with the guy.

Anonymous said...

Hi Brad!

Anonymous said...

Brad,

Being from the near-Cleveland area did you ever manage to see Pere Ubu live? If so, I am SO jealous.

john e mumbles said...

Early Ubu was great, Modern Dance, Panic... but then it went South.

Troy said...

Hi Brad! You're the greatest zen master I've ever known. If I really knew you that is. But I can tell your wisdom is wiser that others that so-call themselves zen masters. You are so profound and zen amd punk. Your zen is bigger than genpo's or jundo's zen. I agree with you about internet zen too. It's just girlie zen. Please keep writing punk, zen writings for us. Ignore the stupid hater trolls. Most of us are really gay for you. Unless we're chicks, then we would not be gay for you. What is internet zen anyway? Did Dogen say it was not OK?

P.S. Great master Gudo says it's real important to stay erect while zazening. Is it OK to place our penis in our cosmic mudra? If we're dudes that is?

XXX
(that means kisses and not triple X porno stuff...not that there's anything wrong with that)

Troy
(like the city and the movie. The one where that hottie Brad Pitt was in it. Are all hotties named Brad you think?)

PPS I'm naked right now and my anus is totally balanced on the zafu. Master Gudo said a balanced anus is real important too. So I guess you'd be proud of your number 1 fan.

Anonymous said...

"Early Ubu was great, Modern Dance, Panic... but then it went South."

I agree, J.E.M., except I would say they sort of bobbed up and down. Some albums are great, others terrible. I really like their latest; you should check it out. Dub Housing's still my favorite though.

Anonymous said...

97

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98

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99

john e mumbles said...

I forgot Dub Housing, yeah!

So what of the rest of the catalog since would you recommend Anon?

And the new one, I think I saw a video somewhere, but, is called_________?

Crocus Behemoth said...

100

R to (je) m (@ 12:14 pm) said...

I only saw your post now.

If you see a blue "RAN K." that links here without a blogger's sign - it's not me - it's that asshole poster.

As for your post @ 11:06 am - I figured out you were serious just after I posted the two followings, - [“Anonymous”] but I don't really have the time and I doubt if I would be interested.

I kind of regret the asshole’s timing since I hoped readers would consider the view I raised of the eightfold path. [mine @ 6:46 am as “the Whole Eight” and then again @ 9:24 & 9:25 as “tWE II (corrections by Ran)” & “tWE II (cbR)”] - And particularly the third instruction of it [- “right speech”] with regard to comments posted here.

I know it sounds silly, but it isn’t – the mere consideration has value.


It kind of got lost in his shit.

Anonymous said...

Trololo

anon #108 said...

Dear Troy/silly trolling anon,

I have a question: Why? Why do you do it?

You're a bright boy; you can be witty - even funny, and you are also, clearly, a seeker of truth. Why waste such obvious gifts on these worthless, deluded people and this piss-ant "Zen" fraud?

Take some advice from this very silly old arse-licker: you have your whole life in front of you, Troy; don't throw it away with this silly anonymous trolling!

There is an old adage: "Nether cast ye your pearls before swine". Take heed, and fuck off. You'll be happier for it :-D

P.S. (to 11:48 pm) said...

I'm not trying to promote Anthroposophy.


I thought this bit of Anthroposophy could fit into Buddhism in a way I haven’t come across of being suggested before.



Ran.

Ran K. said...
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anon #108 said...

I gotta dash Ran (is that you???) - but, no, I didn't think them other anons was you - I'm talking to....he/they knows.

And no, 9.53 no2 wasn't me.

Laters!

R said...

Sorry 108, I didn't get what you said, and you didn't get what I did.

I'll delete my last two.

And so far I've only been impersonated in the way I describe at 11:48. (PM)

R said...

Sorry 108, I didn't get what you said, and you didn't get what I did.

I'll delete my last two.

And so far I've only been impersonated in the way I describe at 11:48. (PM)

john e mumbles said...

Anybody else see Zappa back in the day? I can't remember the tour but he had Adrian Belew playing guitar, and Terry "Ted" Bozzio on drums. It was a huge band.

Anonymous said...

Hardcore Zen? Try this practice.

Anonymous said...

J.E.M. I like most of their stuff except, perhaps, Cloudland and the stuff from that era. I get what they were doing but it still kinda sucked. I like most of their new albums though. Raygun Suitcases has some great tunes (especially "Red Sky"-- best gonzo epic ever). So does St. Arkansas. Their new album is called "Long Live Pere Ubu" and is a concept album based around the Alfred Jarry play "Ubu Roi" (from whom they got their name).

old-bald-one-can-go-pee said...

wanna - bees:

pack up a suitcase full o' cash and head for KyoTo quick, they need your money.

Seagal Rinpoche said...

Not always so.

john e mumbles said...

Ocean of Dharma Quotes of the Week

May 8, 2010

REPROACHING YOUR EGO

Reproach is one of the five strengths that allow us to practice our bodhisattva discipline of helping others throughout our whole life. Reproach here is reproaching your ego. It is revulsion with samsara, or the wheel of painful conditioned existence. Whenever any ego-centered thought occurs, you should think, "It is because of such clinging to ego that I wander in samsara and suffer endless pain. If I try to maintain ego, there can be no happiness. Therefore, I must try to tame ego as much as I can." In this case, you are encouraged to talk to yourself, and to say to your ego: "You have caused me so much trouble. I have no desire at all to hang around with you. This 'you' -- who are you anyway?" Talking to yourself, reproaching your ego, in that way is very helpful. You can talk to yourself in the shower. When you are driving, instead of turning on the punk-rock, just turn on your reproach of ego. You can even whisper to yourself when you're with someone else, although you might feel embarrassed. That is the best way to become an eccentric bodhisattva.

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Seagal Fan said...

Thank you for this thought-provoking and timely teaching, Seagal Rinpoche.

anon #108 said...

Re Chogyam -

Whenever any ego-centered thought occurs...

What, like "I'm having an ego-centered thought"?

So your ego talks to your ego? Or your "real self" talks to your "ego"? Or your "conscience" tells you off for being self-absorbed(!?)? I kinda get it...but I don't get it. As Huang-Po said, "How many minds have you got?"

This 'you' -- who are you anyway?"

Quite.


You can even whisper to yourself when you're with someone else...That is the best way to become an eccentric bodhisattva.

"You" whisper to "yourself" ?? Bodhisattva? Dunno. Good way to get yourself detained under the Mental Health Act, though ;)

Sorry, jem. It don't do it for me...I realise it's 'training', but I'm a selfish kinda guy, I suppose. Whadoo I know?


(jem, if you read the link, may I ask your forebearance re the simplistic summary of vedic and upanishadic philosophy - it's not an academic article, and not the point. The point comes later on.)

Seagal Rinpoche said...

No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place.

Anonymous said...

humor

Rich said...

108 - My comment about your thinking points was picky but I was concerned you were confused. Most of what you post here is informative and sincere.

Troy - you are a funny guy. The reason we pay attention to the erect back is so we don't have to pay attention to any other erections while sitting -)

R said...

Since consistent rumors has it that jem has published a few lines about Ramana Maharshi, and due to his recent quote of 10:14, [am] I wanted to mention off my memory (from a book of Q & A of Ramana Maharshi I read years ago, I think) that when RM was asked about the ego - I don't remember what - his reply was something of the sort of - "Why mention him? - This is what he wants. Our attention.".

anon #108 said...

So - Troy's a funny guy. I'm not? I'm just "informative and sincere"? That hurts, Rich.

(Believing and doing are very different things. No doubt. You're right).

*******************************************

As my earlier comments about other people believing or doing seem to have got in the way of the main point I was trying to make, I'll have another go. I'll edit what I wrote, and try to be clearer this time:


"The Sanskrit for 'truth' is also the word for 'reality': satya, from the root sat, meaning 'being, existing, occurring, happening'.

That's nice, I think - the truth is what is - everything that is; not a statement, view, or philosophy about what is.

The Truth cannot be a doctrine or a view; a philosophy or a religious belief.

What can being "wrong" about the truth possibly mean?"


Ca va.
Move on.

Harry said...

Hi 108,

Master Dogen seemed to enjoy pointing out that 'a doctrine or a view; a philosophy or a religious belief' are already the truth of existence (maybe not just like we prefer to see it though). That's exactly the sort of shit we have to make good on:

Still more, the founding patriarch Ungo says, “Even to have learned matters on the periphery of the Buddha-Dharma is to have adopted a mistaken approach already.” That being so, although we have been making the mistake for a long time—which has deepened into days and deepened into months—of half-learning matters on the periphery of the Buddha-Dharma, this may be the state of the dog that has forcibly entered a concrete skinbag. Though it knowingly commits a deliberate violation, it has the buddha-nature.

from Shobogenzo Bussho.

Regards,

Harry.

anon #108 said...

Good point, H. I agree.

That's exactly what I meant by "the truth is what is - everything that is.

So maybe views are true, but they're not right (as in right/wrong)?

Harry said...

Hi 108,

If every diverse thing in existence is real existence, then there must be infinite real truths and infinite 'rights' opposed to infinite 'wrongs' none of which is hindered by an ultimate right/wrong.

Regards,

Harry.

anon #108 said...

Deal!

anon #108 said...

These kinds of discussions, wherein the distinction between meaning and word-play can be hard to make and hard to see, are rendered so much less bothersome when aided by different perspectives, I think.

Nagarjuna's 'Two Truths': samvrta satya ('conventional truth') and
paramartha satya ('highest/ultimate truth') - and Gudo's 'Three Philosophies; One Reality' come to mind.

There are surely other multi-perspective approaches, outside of Buddhism. When throwing words around, they must be a help, too.

john e mumbles said...

108, I think this (below) got lost in response to your Truth post. It fairly describes this blog commentary, I think, layers and layers of different "true" perspectives, how could it be otherwise, as you say?

Apply that to Chogyam, and you have all the answers. Game over!

Dustin Hoffman in Hero, " People are always talking to you about the truth. Everybody always know what the truth is, like it was toilet paper or something and they got a supply of it in the closet. But what you learn as you get older is that there ain't no truth. All there is, is bullshit, layers of it. One layer of bullshit on top of another. And what you do in life, like as you get older, is you pick your layer of bullshit you prefer, and it's your bullshit."

anon #108 said...

Hmm...I dunno, jem. I mean when you put it that way, it seems...

I'm Kiddin!!!

Yeah, it's all bullshit! Bullshit is Goood :)

anon #108 said...

Game over!

But I wanna play :(

Mr. Reee said...

Seagal, a Rinpoche? Pfft!

Chuck Norris can get Kensho with one card.

Troy said...

Dear anon108,
Thankyou so much. I like you too. I agree about anonymous trollers. But I'm really not so funny. I was just really drunk the other night. Is your first name anon108 or is it anon and 108 is your last name? You are much brave to post under your real live name. I will look you up when I get to england some day. Are you in the phone book? Thanks again for your kind words of encouragement. I will stay and help Brad here forever or longer.

R to last said...

You can be a pain in the ass if you like.

I'd erase your posts but Brad probably wouldn't.

Rinzai till i die said...
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john e mumbles said...

But he gets a senior citizen discount at I HOP, so why does he (or anybody) need to "get Zen."

How many Rinzais and Sotos does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Koan! Or not!!

Seagal Rinpoche said...

A flower falls, even though we love it; and a weed grows, even though we do not love it.

Rinzai till i die said...
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Ronnie said...

Have to admit that I failed to see this site for what it was. My mistake was expecting this to be some sort of zen site, a zen support group or something. That was me reading something into it that simply isn't the case.

What is actually here just might be better. I mean, we have His Holiness Steven Seagal here dispensing wisdom.

Agamemnon said...

Troy (I know that's your real name),

They say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Haha. You prove the opposite is the case. Don't for one second listen to what that pompous, humorless brit twit "anon #108" says. The world needs you to expose Brad Warner and his senile teacher's hypocrisy and stupidity. Without you and the other trolling anons to show the way, I would be a braindead drone like 108, Harry, Rich, Mysterion, Jinzang, Stephanie, Mr Reee, Philbob, and all them other fools. I even see mumbles losing his grip.

Sarcasm roolz!
Keep up the good work, son !

Agamemnon said...

O...forgot Ran K - He's the only one makes any sense.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.

- Voltaire

Harry said...

Group hug out of the question then?

Regards,

Harry.

Anonymous said...

"Leilani and I fucked way more than Richard Baker ever did, I'm sure. We'd been saving it up for weeks, having no place we could be alone. I had no idea sex could be that intense."

- Brad Warner, Zen Wrapped in Karma Dipped in Chocolate

Agamemnon said...

Haha.....ha, trolling anon. Excellent work.

Let me have a go!

"Leilani and I fucked way more than Richard Baker ever did, I'm sure. We'd been saving it up for weeks, having no place we could be alone. I had no idea sex could be that intense."

- Brad Warner, Zen Wrapped in Karma Dipped in Chocolate

HAHAHA!

Anonymous said...

Let me have a go at paraphrasing it!

I fucked Leilani. I fucked her a lot. Various angles and ways. I could go on and on, but my point is that I fucked the shit out of her. In fact, I daresay I fucked her more than any fucking that Richard Baker ever did. The intensity of the fucking was off the charts. I had no idea that fucking some chick could ever be that intense. It was fucking intense.

Anonymous said...

troll harder

Anonymous said...

"troll harder"

You're driving me to extremes! It's like PUNK ROCK or something. I think I'll troll really hard now and then come back in about 20 years and brand myself as a punk troller/zen teacher.

Odysseus said...

Oh Shut up other anon.

ROFL! PMSL!!!
Priceless, trolling anon! Absolutely priceless!

Bwahahah etc

Anonymous said...

FAIL

Odysseus said...

Oh, and I love the posts of john e mumbles. Very good stuff, keep it coming.

Anonymous said...

indifference

Rich said...

108 says "What can being "wrong" about the truth possibly mean?"

It means you are thinking too much. But don't stop on my account cause it's entertaining and keeps me on my toes.

Talking about Troy
Agamemnen says "Without you and the other trolling anons to show the way, I would be a braindead drone like 108, Harry, Rich, Mysterion, Jinzang, Stephanie, Mr Reee, Philbob, and all them other fools. I even see mumbles losing his grip."

This is weird cause my girlfriend often says the same thing about me.

Leilani said...

I want you inside me.

Odysseus said...

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anon #108 said...

'Sfunny, Rich. I don't think much at all these days - not since my Enlightenment. Thoughts just kinda pop into my head, like little light bulbs going off...without me having to turn em on :)

corrine said...

i've never seen more comments with less to say.

odysseus said...

"i've never seen more comments with less to say."

Did leaving that comment somehow make you feel empowered?

Rich said...

108 - this enlightenment thing, do you have someone that can vouch for you? cause there has been a lot going around that people thought was enlightenment and turned out to be some mind sickness. Might even be caused by a virus or germ.

Anonymous said...

OWNED

john e mumbles said...

Less is Mo, Ho
Ho
Ho
Hee Hee Hee
Ha
Ha
Ha


You can't lose
what you
never
had in the
first
place...

(captcha: slitini !)

Ran K. said...

Corrine wants the Leilani Special.

Anonymous said...

loser

anon #108 said...

108 - this enlightenment thing, do you have someone that can vouch for you?

That's another funny thing, Rich - no one believes me!

(Trolling anon @1.13pm shouts "OWNED". Can it be true that North Americans really do not understand irony?)

anon #108 said...
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anon #108 said...

corrine said...
"i've never seen more comments with less to say."

Corrine, Corrine - Where you been so long?

We're actually realising anuttara samyak sambodhi, but in a flippant, fun kind of way :)

john e mumbles said...

Well, speak for yourself, I'm serious as a fur
eakin heart attack here, Friendo.

My comments are linked to the sacred blogged up words of Brad the Impaler.

Each entry is an extension of his ego-driven obsessive compulsive Selflessness.

Anonymous said...

Now is the time for Warner to criticize individuals who post here. He will not acknowledge his absolute involvement and culpability in everything that goes on here.

Anonymous said...

agenda

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purple

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nurple

anon #108 said...

OK. You're bored.
This is me

(supply usual apologies for provisional recordings and design - we're working on it).

Anonymous said...

No. There are multiple anons at work here. "Work" being a misnomer, of course.

anon #108 said...

...The old man, of course!

TURN IT UP!

Anonymous said...

comment sections where the blog author does not have to screen the posts first are always gonna have dickheads making less than funny jokes. eh, it is what it is.

anon anon, but i bet he reads em.

Extreeeme! said...

zen

john e mumbles said...

108! That ain't harf bad, kid!

"Home For Christmas," with its mutant pop reggae funkette got me first, but they all have something.

Many thanks for sharing,

Rock on & on...

[btw: we always have a token old man in my bands, even when I play solo :)

Rich said...

108 - If I had hair like Ray Peterson (Corina Corina) then I would have realized anuttara samyak sambodhi.

Mumbles - are you serious, joking or just completely out of touch with reality? I need an answer now and please don't be offended.

anon #108 said...

Many thanks, jem.

May we quote '"Home For Christmas," with its mutant pop reggae funkette...? That's cool! We'll credit you (what's your preferred by-line?)

They're just demos, the first four of seven we recorded on a laptop in a rehearsal studio. There's a few more overdubs to do, but we're pleased.

anon #108 said...

Hmm...some of you don't believe me?

I'm not kiddin. That myspace has demos by the band I'm currently playing bass in: The Other Dances. The singer/writer, Ben, is 26 - and I'm a very well preserved 57 (maybe drugs pickle the metabolism? Clean for 5 years:)). Al and Rich are 32.

So with a little clicking and scrolling, you'll see pics of me - and you'll know my actual, real, true identity!

Like you care...

anon #108 said...

Hey...I can prove it!

Q What was the name of the venue I invited Brad to at the top of the previous post?

A See the list of our upcoming shows on the myspace - it's still there.

....unless, of couse, I'm an imposter who started setting this up four days ago.

corrine. said...

nope, not empowered, just bummed i had to sift through trolling trash.

anon #108 said...

Hi Corrine. As I'm in self-promo mood, and I see you're a total sucker for sad songs, check out "She's not my Lover" by The Other Dances (there's a 12 sec hiatus at the start). You'll find the link in my post at 4.16pm, above.

...If you fancy. You'll make an old man very happy.

Anonymous said...

A very wise man once said that anger breeds more anger. Your anger, Corrine, makes you seem very cuntish.

corrine. said...

kudos on "cuntish" by the way... i was merely saying i hate in between two good comments there are 28378246856 spam bot posts or whatnot, i just get internet frustrated sometimes, ya know? i wanna know what everyone has to say...

Anonymous said...

tyvm

:)

john e mumbles said...

Rich: Define "reality"

Am I serious?

About what exactly?

Keep a light touch.

Yes, 108, you may quote me, and use my "real" name. (see BuddhistGeeks.com posts) I just befriended your band on Myspace btw.

Anonymous said...

Tell me about THE ATMAN, Mumbles.

anon #108 said...

john e -

I meant a full by-line, as in "John Eberly, legendary underground cartoonist and singer/songwriter for 80's Wichita metal-punk rock band The Mumbles." I might put the lot in if you give us a favourable 60-word review ;) You could be famous in Hackney and Camden!

(BTW, I changed my surname in 1989, so the almost-semi-famous stuff I did before then that you're aware of, is in a different name to the one I use now. And - can't see your friend request yet. Did you send us one?)

Ed Markovich said...

You're THE Malcolm Markovich? Are you related to the Markovich's of Akron Ohio?

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