Thursday, March 18, 2010


I've updated the page about my tour. The address I originally had for the Brooklyn Zen Center was incorrect. So don't go where I said before because they've moved!

Also, I got more complete info on my talk at Baltimore Zen Center and that's up there as well. Go read it for yourself. What am I? Your mommy?

Sitting here at the Austin Zen Center waiting to see if someone is picking me up to go to the retreat today. So far it's 9:30 am. The retreat starts at noon. And I haven't heard a word yet about how I'm supposed to get out there.

So maybe I'll just hang out and see some more of SXSW. Apparently Cheetah Chrome is playing tonight, so if they don't call I'll just go see that.

I am supremely bummed that Alex Chilton just died. I love Big Star a whole bunch, and just got that massive boxed set Rhino put out of their stuff. I listened to the whole gosh darned thing as I drove across country the week before last. Not a single bad track on any of the four CDs. Chilton was also very briefly a label-mate of mine when he put out an EP on Midnight Records in the mid-80s. I'm really broke up about this one.


‹(•¿•)› said...

Whoa! on it! #1

dsla said...

March 20 - one-day retreat in Santa Monica

Austin Zen Center Calendar said...

Mar. 13, 7:30am, Morning Retreat (sat) Sign up

Mar. 15, 6:45pm, Natural Wisdom & Compassion Meditation with Betty Holmes (mon)

Mar. 17, 7:45am, Sangha Breakfast (wed)

Mar. 19, 6:30pm, Women's Sit with Shotai De La Rosa (fri) More info

Mar. 20, 10:30am, Dharma talk by Shotai De La Rosa (sat)

Mar. 20, 1-4pm, Workshop: "The Four Bodhisattva Vows" with Shotai De La Rosa (sat) Sign up

Mar. 20, 7pm, BuddhaFlix: "Tibet: Beyond Fear" with director Michael Perlman (sat) Details

Mar. 22, 6:45pm, Natural Wisdom & Compassion Meditation with Betty Holmes (mon)

Mar. 24, 7:45am, Sangha Breakfast (wed)

Mar. 26 – 28, Spring Sesshin with Shinge Roshi (Roko Osho) (fri-sun) Sign up

Anonymous said...

The Letter


Anonymous said...

Birdsie sounding "Thank You Friends" is here

Heart attack at 59. A little young but he'll just miss the insane weather patterns that are beginning to emerge. He will not experience the full effect of global warming.

Too bad.

alan said...


Sorry to hear about Alex.

Music seems to be a more tightly knit group than others I can think of, so losses must hit harder.

john e mumbles said...


R.I.P. brother Alex

adios alex c said...

Alex Chilton by the Replacements

CynicalBoy said...

Given enough time
Even an artist will be
Just a memory

Ba Sho Nuff said...

today I tune up
the song is never as before
ash footprint and dust

Anonymous said...

Can't think of any other reason to 'play as if your guitar were on fire' than the fact time is fleeting

First Nation saying: 'when Death comes for you, may you be alive!'

may that prove to be true for us all: to be truly alive while we are alive

Anonymous said...

Dude, here's the
retreat schedule.

Anonymous said...

congress ain't all bad

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Brad is still sitting at the Austin Zen Center waiting for someone to pick him up..

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...


foronp said...

Ain't it quiet!

ressene said...


poist said...

Yeah, Shhh! Don't spoil it.

flici said...


I'm the only one who hasn't said anything!

108 the merciless said...

this is spooky.. even the windbags (Hi Mysti) are being quiet.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

treat and retreat were sitting on a fence,
treat fell off
who was left?


anti-myth said...

I posted about the 8 tribes of humanity - 8 fold path?

Soundpolitic said...

Hey Brad...thanks for updating the Brooklyn Zen Center. I had hoped to be able to make it, but having been out of work so long and being as politically active as I have been of late (check my blog posts about this funky new Coffee Party!) I'll have to wait until the next time you come around to the Empire State or its vicinity.

Unless, of course, you waive the registration fee for me :-D By the way, Jacopo was extremely helpful in providing extra information; anyone reading this comment interested in attending should not hesitate to contact this very kind monk-dude.

But that's OK. I just wanted to talk politics, bass-playing, and posture with you and maybe get your John Hancock on my heavily-underlined-and-annotated copies of HZ, SD&SU, and ZWIKDIC (hehe...pronouced "Zwick Dick!")

By the way, your latest book sucked... But it was an autobiography, so according to your first book, I guess it was supposed to suck. So I thoroughly enjoyed it and found it insightful regardless :-) Sometimes things that suck really do rock!

Keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...


Jundo said...


Mr. Reee said...

Very quiet here.

I can fix that-- ommmmmmmmm....

or is it 'ahhhhuuummmmm?'

FWIW, just got off the road. NoCal to SoCal and camping almost a week on the beach near county line.

Brad may have left LA too early. The weather and waves were the cleanest I'd seen in some time. Even the south bay was pretty--it still looks like 1975 in Manhattan/Hermosa.

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Ran K. said...
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Ran K. said...

Having a look at the Dharma Punx site something seems to have caught my attention. It’s not about them. It’s a much more general thing. Wherever Buddhism grew the situation was not similar to it growing in a Christian society or country. In many cases it was a Buddhist one; in India it was a Hindu one, but Buddhism grew out of Hindu and in accord with it, - further – even accepting it as its background. (The situation is somewhat similar to the situation Of Christianity and Judaism but is irrelevant here in itself.) Now Buddhism is growing in the west, - in Europe and America – in a Christian society. - Once a religion is the religion of a country – its moral instruction is much taken to be moral itself. It is also likely to be created with certain reasonable accordance to existing conditions at the country. - With regard to “Zen” – if seen with the meditation in the center without much regard to precepts, – what I am discussing may be quite irrelevant. Especially in today’s secular society. - But if otherwise – if people dig into scriptures and precepts – there is somewhat the situation of Buddhist morality in contrast with Christian morality. It is not to say that there is much of a contrast in itself, but when the situation is in the same society, - (and this is not like the situation of having different groups – Catholic, Protestants, Jews, - whatever – within the same society) there are the discrepancies and there is a certain kind of disharmony. I’m not talking about a conflict but things might not sit in place that well. I do suppose harmony’s the name of the game. And it’s a bit off. Or it may be. It’s about the way it feels rather than about analysis.

This has crossed my mind with regard to brad’s new book. I thought it would be strange - funny - for him to think someone should have a different attitude toward sex if he’s a Buddhist, or if he is not a Buddhist.

And else – with regard to a different discussion – of the growing and shaping of Buddhism (or “Zen”) in the west. - Either Dogen Sangha or not Dogen Sangha.

It seems to me that the fact that it’s a Christian society should be taken into account.

This had not been the situation in Buddhism spreading from India to various countries in the east.

We all know Buddhism is not going to take over America or Europe.

The situation will always be different.

I suppose Buddhism should be somewhat intermingled or entwined with Christianity.

Otherwise it would be a bit strange.

I suppose since in Buddhism there have always been Buddhas and in Christianity there have been very few who have actually understood it, - Buddhism has been far better maintained.

But I believe Christianity will come to change with time.

I believe the materialism that arouse at the 18th century will be a sometime thing. I suppose we’re about at the top of the wave. Slightly after, even. And I believe faith will take new shape, in accord with rationality.

So I suppose that in coming to shape Buddhism in a new land what was right in previous circumstances may not necessarily be right now, - and it may be that if things don't feel right - there's something to be considered at the bottom of it.

So far,

Anonymous said...

Next one is 37.

Really. (No joke.)

Anonymous said...


Really? said...

Ran K - interesting thoughts...

...with regard to brad’s new book. I thought it would be strange - funny - for him to think someone should have a different attitude toward sex if he’s a Buddhist, or if he is not a Buddhist.

None of us have read the book yet.
We'll see.

It seems to me that the fact that it’s a Christian society should be taken into account.

By whom?
We'll see.

We all know Buddhism is not going to take over America or Europe.

What is "Buddhism"?
We'll see.

I suppose Buddhism should be somewhat intermingled or entwined with Christianity.
Otherwise it would be a bit strange.

Should it?
By whom?
We'll see.

But I believe Christianity will come to change with time.

Will it?
We'll see.

And I believe faith will take new shape, in accord with rationality.

Will it?
We'll see.

So I suppose that in coming to shape Buddhism in a new land what was right in previous circumstances may not necessarily be right now...

Who does the shaping?
We'll see.

It’s about the way it feels rather than about analysis.

Was it?
Is it?
We'll see.

Anonymous said...

See here now :)

john e mumbles said...

R.I.P. Mark Linkous: "The parasites will love you when you're dead, la la la la la."

jundo said...

I am not Jundo!

Jundo said...

I am Jundo.

Jundo said...

I both am and am not Jundo

Jundo said...

We are all Jundo

Anonymous said...

And I... was the Winged Monkey!

Mysterion said...
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Shall we see? said...

We'll see.

Or we won't said...

Or we won't.

We'll see said...

We'll see.

Really? said...


Rich said...

speculation brings vexation

Curious said...

Hey Jundo (the real one),

What does "Jundo" mean? I mean, apart from Gudo's little pun on 'jew'?

Hey Brad,

What does "Odo" mean? I mean apart from Gudo hearing "Brad" a bit like "Od.." (didn't you say that once?).

I'm curious,

#6 said...

I am not Jundo, I am a free man.

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

Just what is wrong with non-fundamentalist, non-pious Christianity?

108 the merciless said...

The surest proof that intelligent life exists somewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact Mysterion..

alan said...

108 the merciless,

Your posts, do however, provide some evidence for lack of intelligent life on this planet.

Why bother....?

john e mumbles said...

alan: Why do YOU bother?

btw: And "bother" is a good word for it.

What you do that is.

Bother people.


Anonymous said...


Fundo Cohen said...

Mumbles, I can't believe you went after Alan like that. That was really hurtful. What kind of sick Buddstard are you? 108 and Alan are old pals. 108 knows when Alan is pulling his leg. But you hit below the kesa. Damn!

Jundo's Sockmonkey said...

Just what is wrong with non-fundamentalist, non-pious Christianity?

The same thing that is wrong with non-fundamentalist, non-pious hinduism, islam, judaism, buddhism, jainism, sikhism, ismism. They are a bunch of delusive fairytales.

Anonymous said...

Hmm...seems a rather fundamentalist position, Jundo's Sockmonkey.

Still, you're entiltled to your beliefs.

Mysterion said...

Jundo's Sockmonkey said...
"Just what is wrong with non-fundamentalist, non-pious Christianity?"

Setting aside the notion of "wrong," you should discover for yourself what has borrowed from the previous sets of regional folklore.

There may be nothing worth reexamining or questioning on your part. I do not know because I do not know you. You might be happier as a blind person stumbling in darkness.

Orpheus Crucified

Orpheus (ΟΡΦεος).

R to 108 (tm, 2:37 pm) said...

What proof might you have that it had not?

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

I don't think buddha, code name "Siddhārtha Gautama", ever existed.

per the dharma of Merle Haggard:

"The Way I Am"

Wish I was down on some blue bayou,
With a bamboo cane stuck in the sand.
But the road I'm on, don't seem to go there,
So I just dream, keep on bein' the way I am.
Wish I enjoyed what makes my living,
Did what I do with a willin' hand.
Some would run, ah, but that ain't like me.
So I just dream and keep on bein' the way I am.

The way I am, don't fit my shackles.
The way I am, reality.
I can almost see that bobber dancin',
So I just dream, keep on bein' the way I am.

The way I am, don't fit my shackles.
The way I am, reality.
I can almost see that bobber dancin',
So I just dream, keep on bein' the way I am.

I just dream, keep on bein' the way I am.

anon #108 said...

Hi Mysti -

I appreciate your campaign to disseminate info about the possible origins of, and connections between, various ancient myths/beliefs/religions.

But I don't understand why you (seem to) believe that such borrowings and adaptations of earlier myths and ideas somehow - in itself - invalidates their later expressions, like Christianity. That's what it sounds like you're saying, to me...and is a seperate issue, surely, from the corruption that occurs in institutions.

Can you make the connection for me?
Have I misunderstood?

BTW, bloggers, I am not '108 the merciless' or any other '108' but this one. When I post 'anonymously', which I very occasionally do, I don't use the number '108'.

108 the merciless said...

I too wish to make clear that I, 108 the Merciless, am not #108 (the Discreet) nor Mysterion (The Bemused). I also wish to make clear that I don't really dislike Mysterion all that much. I have always admired his mindful cutting and pasting skills and have enjoyed his asinine rants concerning Christians and Jews. Thank you.

anon #108 said...

And thank you, 108 the merciless.

Quite a merciful contribution, I thought.

My word verification this time was 'atesting'.
WTF is going on?

Mysterion said...

Blogger PhilBob-SquareHead said...
"I don't think buddha, code name "Siddhārtha Gautama", ever existed."


And what difference does that make?

It make no more difference than my thinking the IXEUS (fish) Ictheus (translated Jesus) was the first manifestation of Krishna, does it?

"the historical Jesus and his disciples remain elusive to scholars"

The answer is easy: "Avoid scholars."

UNESCO - 666


Jundo's Sockmonkey said...

That's right, if you think religions are bullshit that means you're a fundamentalist atheist. Do you even know what fundamentalism means or where the term comes from? Apparently not.

Do you think unicorns, santa, and crystal healing aren't real? That must mean you too are a fundamentalist. I say I'm the real creator-god of this universe. You doubt me? You must be a fundamentalist.

proulx michel said...

I think one of the problems of Christianity, which Mysterion addresses, is their pretense to historical authenticity. Other religions are content with mythology. "Book" religions want History to condone their authenticity, and that is where the problem stands. As for Christianity, the problem is much worse than with Islam, for one, because so much is obscured of the three first centuries.

But IMO, better leave them at it. No one will convince a die hard Xtian of the shaky bases of his belief.

Mysterion said...
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Anonymous said...

Mysterion queried.. "BTW, did I mention? I hold a paper/pencil (earned, not honorary) Ph.D. in.. blah blah blah.."

Yes yes yes you have mentioned it many many times before along with other even more riveting details of your terribly interesting life..

Mysterion said...

The point is that I purchased a few books and read them.

The amount of ignorance displayed by some who post here reminds us that the source of suffering is just that:


Anonymous said...

Mysterion: So why did you delete the post if your point was as modest as you claimed? :)

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

Just trying to spice up a droll thread here...actually, Mister Mysterion is one of the few that posts here w/ an immaculate intellect.

Anonymous said...

... meaning it's 'not fucked'?

108 the merciless said...

I think Mysterion is less than immaculately intelligent but possibly more than totally ignorant.. Maybe immaculately ignorant describes him best.

Mysterion said...


I had other fish to fry.

Mysterion said...

Nirvana through NCAA (mens) Basketball.

Not one minority graduate from CSUN or Maryland. OOPS, we don't have a minority in CA anymore because there is no majority. Not one "black" graduate from CSUN or Maryland. In dualism, one needs a majority to have a minority and in California, since prop. 209, there are neither. What a concept!

Is it linguistics or is it legal-ease?

Are Asians too serious about education?

"At UCSD, nearly 53 percent of this year's freshman class is Asian-American. Whites make up about 28 percent and Latinos 12 percent."

Ability, motivation, opportunity, tenacity... Go Tigers! LOL

Over the years, my best students were typically the Asians.

Ran K. said...
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Ran K. said...
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Ran K. said...

I would like to comment with regard to M’s @ 9:51 pm.

To me this is the last seal of his widthless thought being disconnected from reality.

I might quite regret not doing this earlier, before some of the stuff added since,- however – I’m not one of the quicker guys here.

To the point:

Mysterion - I made my advice to you. Even if you follow it it won't bear fruits overnight.

Churches are not Christianity.

(To go to the extreme - I came upon an opinion that was Jesus Christ to again incarnate and attempt to spread his teaching - the state of the Christian churches is such that they would confiscate him and excommunicate him. - Though I am not familiar with the situation, this not at all an opinion I would take lightly.)

What “scholars” imagine may come to be a serious joke in the future.

(A bit of btw: - in case Christ did not exist it would, or might, proof a bit difficult for Christianity to predate him. Mind all.

Still on this btw - take the reasons M’s miserable scholars believe Christ have never existed. Are they convincing for you? The main value of these of these academics may be to serve as a future example of the extremity of stupidity a human mind, - and an intelligent one – at least to some degree – can reach. And this is not merely said in a manner of speaking. Try and be the judge as to whether Common sense has not been somewhere lost on somewhat of an extraordinarily strange way. Do not accept strange thoughts just because they have commonly been seen as authoritative. And do try to be aware of whether you are your own judge or not.

And one more on this one – I truly do not consider this necessary – but I believe it is possible to find mentionings of Christ in the Talmud, - from about the last guys who would want to affirm his existence. From a time much closer to the one he lived in, - when such stupidity would not have been thinkable. It may be that they would have delighted in an idea that he never existed at all. I am somewhat familiar with the subject as some of my friends have become ultra religious and I am familiar with the hate they have for him. - Jewish ultra religious – I suppose you understand.)

Back to the point - to M: -

If you don't take my advice I wouldn't see much point in having a discussion with you. It may not sound good but this is the situation.

You are somewhat like a blind man who imagines whatever has been said about eyesight has been copied off earlier records of imagination of the blind.

I believe there is connection of Christianity to earlier religions – but in ways you wouldn’t dream of. I did not want to mention such things, - but I believe it can be said the spirit of the Persian prophet Zarathustra lived within the body of Jesus from about the time he went to the temple at the age of 12 until a few days before his renowned baptism in the Jordan river. And further than that – what perhaps may be more astonishing - that that which is known as the Holy Spirit in Christianity is the same being to which the ancient Greek referred to as the god of the sun. Of course you will not be able to find a trace of that in the waste baskets in which you’re digging. Sorry about that but I don’t see much room for mercy.


Taking your last link – (still @ 9:51) some of the things mentioned are misunderstandings, some I do not know, and some are not prophesies – as far as I understand. However it does seem to speak poorly of whoever has written it.

Ran K. said...

I see no point in relating to sockmonkey’s stuff.

- As for things pm said – I don’t really understand: - Mythology is mythology and occurrences on Earth are occurrences on Earth. Put aside the very early Chapters of the Bible - do you not see it as a general description of things which actually happened? - Whatever stories the Greek or whoever had about their gods – in what manner does it effect that? - It seems with Buddhism it would be generally the same – some of the stories of the Buddha are obviously true – though the Indians (and particularly of the time) are not the ones to give it with the utmost accuracy – some seem to have been made up later – (the Vimalakirty Sutra for example has no historical value, - knowing some of the contents – had it been otherwise it would speak quite badly of some of the Buddha’s top disciples) and I might assume one can get a reasonable picture of which is which.

I know very little of Christianity after the time of the Bible – but in general – do you see reasonable reason to doubt the general description of the life of Christ there?

I am not a Christian (and I have never received precepts, so in case heaven are keeping records I might still be considered Jewish as being born so) but I do not understand what you refer to by “shaky bases belief”.

However I seem to have got the blog a bit going. Not that quite any more.

Mysterion said...

Blogger Ran K. said...
"What “scholars” imagine may come to be a serious joke in the future."

And then, it may not come to that at all. The more closely the origins of "Xtianity" are studied, the less that can be stated with any certainty. A recent culture borrowed from an older culture and that older culture borrowed from an even older one.

It seems obvious (tho not to you, perhaps) Vishnu (the fish) was the first manifestation of Krishna (Christ). There have been serious doubts about the substance of Jesus from the get-go so 125 years of recent scholarship will hardly resolve that which is so distant (in time, space, and culture). But scholars accept this "not knowing" along with the "never knowing."

What is clear is this:

Christianity has evolved - even morphed - over seven centuries. The very OLDEST stuff? Second century following the death of the Fish Man.

The many smoking guns are far too numerous to mention. And "word-for-word" pirate copying from Buddhists texts? Yep. That too.

joshua said...

Ran K. may be talking about left behind. That is next to right behind.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

"this generation" has become every generation since... 67 of them.

anon #108 said...

I think it's a shame that Mysterion often presents the results of his many years of research in a cryptic, sometimes snarky, hypertextual shorthand - on this blog, at least. I think it inclines folks, feeling themsleves patronised by someone who admits he can't be bothered to spell out the obvious to the 'blind' and 'ignorant', to dismiss his contributions as the ramblings of a confused dabbler with a bee in his bonnet about 'religions', particularly the Abarahamic faiths.

I think that if Mysti made his points directly and simply his readers might be less able to dismiss him as an 'asinine' 'windbag', and they/we/I might learn something.

It can't be so difficult to explain these things, if you truly want people to understand. However, if you just want to remain aloof and right, then encrypting your message is a surefire way to confuse most people, and safeguard your position. You achieve little though.

That's what I think.

anon #108 said...

BTW Mysti,

Your post at 5.09pm was clear - to me.

But more often that not, they're not.

john e mumbles said...

My only beef with Mysterion is that he provokes Ran K to go on and on and on...(sorry Ran K but I can't read your comments anymore). That's just cruel. To both of us, no, to all of us.

Oh, and my other beef (although its actually pork) is that Mysterion is starting to sound like a broken record.

Pity its not the Stones.

But it's not a record at all, is it? Its the sound of an old axe grinding. A very old axe. A boring axe.

This is NOT entertainment.

Mysterion said...

Anon #108 re:
More often than not - unclear.

Yeah, after decades on the old list serve systems, I developed the really bad habit of 'picking up where I left off' even if 'left off' happened to be three or four months prior.

I really am sorry about that. My lame excuse goes something like: "Were I to take the time and space to back fill the new post, reading it it would occupy the better part of your evening."

And you have more pressing things to do.

Anonymous said...

union with what is displeasing
separation from what is pleasing
not to get what one wants

Jundo's Sockmonkey said...

The amount of ignorance displayed by some who post here reminds us that the source of suffering is just that:


mysti, mysti, mysti.
Surely you know that the ignorance the Buddha spoke of was avidja, ignorance of our true nature, and not mundane ignorance as in lack of book knowledge.

Ran K,
Spirit of Zarathustra inhabited Jesus....LOL! Or it may have just been that Zoroastrianism came to have a strong influence upon the Judaism of Jesus' time. It's likely where the notion of Satan as a godlike evil deity opposed to yahweh sprang from. The original meaning of satan was just 'the accuser' and he and yahweh seem on good terms in the book of Job.

I guess all that holy spirit silliness is no more lame than Nishijima being inhabited by Nagarjuna's spirit.

alan said...

john e mumbles,

"This is NOT entertainment."

So we do have very much in common. I also come to this blog for entertainment.

I sure hope this comment does not bother you too much.

It's only part of the entertainment.



Mysterion said...


are not part of the Buddhist equation. They are much closer to the Semitic/Abrahamic Traditions.

4 truths for nobles here

birth is suffering
life is suffering
growing old is suffering
dieing is suffering

(so don't complain - just take it like a buddhist & friggin' die old)

word verification = baring

Mysterion said...

The uneducated know not that which can, at present, and can not, at present, be known. They rely on the above physical (metaphysical) and above natural (supernatural). For that which can not be explained rationally can, in ignorance, be explained irrationally.


Yet here, Laertes! aboard, aboard, for shame!
The wind sits in the shoulder of your sail,
And you are stay'd for. There; my blessing with thee!
And these few precepts in thy memory
See thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue,
Nor any unproportioned thought his act.
Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar.
Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried,
Grapple them to thy soul with hoops of steel;
But do not dull thy palm with entertainment
Of each new-hatch'd, unfledged comrade.
Beware of entrance to a quarrel, but being in,
Bear't that the opposed may beware of thee.
Give every man thy ear, but few thy voice;
Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.
Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
For the apparel oft proclaims the man,
And they in France of the best rank and station
Are of a most select and generous chief in that.
Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine ownself be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell: my blessing season this in thee!

HAMLET - Act 1, Scene 3

108 the merciless said...

Mysterion wrote: "dieing is suffering"

Well at least he spelled suffering right..

Anonymous said...

Mysterion, Ran K and #108 walk into a bar.. The bartender looks up from polishing a glass and says, "Is this a joke?"

Anonymous said...

Repeat after me. We are all individuals. - Brian, in Monty Python's Life of Brian.

Mysterion said...

avidya = 'ignorance'
In context, can allude to "turning round the dharma wheel" vivarta.

Avidya (Sanskrit) or avijja (Pali) means either ignorance or delusion (depending on context) and is the opposite of 'vidya' (Sanskrit).

like the two forms moral and amoral. Amoral is without moral(s).

Avidya is without vidya.

vidya = replete with knowledge, a monk who has completed his studentship. That is the general usage in the Pali Buddhist Tripitaka.

But don't believe me (or anyone else). Go ask 17 other scholars and go for the average of all the answers you collect. I recommend this approach 100% of the time.
Seriously. Because sometimes the words have two meanings.

smiling buhhda said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Mysterion, Ran K and #108 walk into a bar.. The bartender looks up from polishing a glass and says, "Is this a joke?""

Good one.

Ran K. said...

to M Joshua: (@ 5:49 pm)

I’ve had a look at the Matthew quote since it was mentioned on your (?) stupid link in the comment I referred to earlier.

If one reads what it’s actually about – it is clear it refers to a distant future – (- see particularly verse 3 in the same chapter; - It seems throughout chapters 24 and 25 he is talking about the second coming and the end of the world. possibly that referred to in SS B. 1 no. 24. [1]) though it is unclear (- to me at least) why the word “generation” has been used.

- It seems it was not used in the meaning we are familiar with, - today at least.

Without speculating about that – I assume the same situation in the other Gospels.

I believe I have have mentioned these references (in M’s link) speak poorly of their author. Very poorly.

I wouldn’t think much could be expected of anyone whose seriousness is such.

to mumbles: I am kind of glad you’re conscience of what it means not to be able to read some of the stuff.

However if you’d have read my post you would come across my point that the discussion is not going to be continued.

to Jsm – I can just repeat what I said about you. [- !] I see no point in having a discussion with you. I didn’t expect any more of you, though I did think you’d have the good sense not to answer.

I didn’t really enjoy the joke (8.17 pm) but I suppose that's the way it seems.

Some things can’t be helped. Until time.

And it is not always near.

[1] ;) I hope you understand it’s a joke. Haven’t been to a bar for quite a while though. Must’ve quit drinking about 20 years ago.

Ran K. said...

I didn't check the links on "Joshua"'s post. btw - that is.

CynicalBoy said...

The belief corner
And the non-belief corner
Death comes either way

john e mumbles said...

Only if you hold that concept "death" in mind when it comes, otherwise, its just another dream come passing through.

Mysterion said...

Blogger john e mumbles said...
Only if you hold that concept "death" in mind when it comes, otherwise, its just another dream come passing through.

and then "It's deja vu all over again"

And we just take it as life before life

Dr. Jim Tucker

JIM B. TUCKER, M.D. is a child psychiatrist at the University of Virginia, where he directs research into children's reports of past-life memories at the Division of Personality Studies and serves as Medical Director of the Child & Family Psychiatry Clinic.

driver said...

Hey Mysti, Do you believe that the soul, after the death of the body, comes back in another body?

108 the merciless said...

"Only if you hold that concept "death" in mind when it comes, otherwise, its just another dream come passing through."

Mumbles: WHATEVER you do. DON'T think about a pink elephant!

Anonymous said...

it's more like a vortex, eddy or whirlpool in a stream. bodies wind in and out like colors reflected in the spinning water.

jamal said...

Anon940: What da hell you smokin brother?

john e mumbles said...

Anonymous said and Anonymous walked into a bar. The bartender said: "Who the fuck are you guys?"

Anonymous said...

man, the comments on this post suck particularly hard. Looking forward to Brad's next one just so I can forget about this one!


Mysterion said...

Anonymous driver said...
"Hey Mysti, Do you believe that the soul, after the death of the body, comes back in another body?"

No. I do not believe anything.

There is a body of scientific evidence that has been collected by a University - and reported in JAMA - that something of interest is worthy of study. Such things make one think...

(And scares the living shit out of the terminally superstitious).

CynicalBoy said...

No such thing as death
A rotting corpse propped upright
Body/mind balanced

Anonymous said...

there is nothing irrational about it

driver said...

mysterion, you don't believe in anything?

You are a nihilist?

john e mumbles said...

"Believe not to believe." -Austin Osman Spare

Anonymous said...

jamal, yes it does seem pretty freaky to the mindset that clings in terms of objects and lasting.

Anonymous said...

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life[1] is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, metaphysical, or ontological forms, meaning respectively that in some aspect knowledge is not possible or that contrary to our belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such.---wiki

Not believing in anything is not nihilism. Belief does not give meaning to reality. The meaning is intrinsic to reality.

There is the Hindu belief, the Christian belief, the Muslim belief -- innumerable sectarian and various political ideologies, all contending with each other, trying to convert each other. One can see, obviously, that "Belief" is separating people, creating intolerance. Is it possible to just live without belief? One can find that out only if one can study oneself in relation to a 'belief'. Is it possible to live in this world without a belief - not change belief, not substitute one belief for another, yet be entirely free from all belief? So that one meets life anew each minute? J.K.

Mysterion said...

The Lineage of Optimistic Nihilism in Buddhism

let me think about it...

The Image of Nihilism: Nagarjuna in the Mirror of Western Interpreters

"In the last 10 years, the nihilist interpretation withesses a marked revival with the Nagarjunian Disputations of T. Wood, followed by the 1995 book of Tola and Dragonetti, On Voidness: A Study on Buddhist Nihilism, the book of D. Burton, Emptiness Appraised. A Critical Study of Nagarjuna’s Philosophy, see also the books published recently by Routlege-Curzon. They hold that sunyata is a synonymous with pratitya-samutpada, as is explicitly stated in MMK. Nihilism doesn't mean annihilation of everything but rather the non-appearance of anything - the utpada (rising) is impossible, as elucidated in the selfsame MMK of Nagarjuna. Which substantiates the impossibility of Sunyata to be an Absolute End in Itself, as held by Murti. There being no dravyasat, the prajnaptisat turns out to be the only "reality" of the phenomenal world. This claim seems to be exaggerated because it pushes Madhyamka into the embrace of Yogacara. The grounds for accepting methodological nihilism as a viable stand in interpreting Nagarjuna are too much and too complex to be discussed in a short review artcile. One, however, is a priori sure: Nihilism is a generic property of Madhyamika, no matter how we interpret it."

Hmmm... you may be on to something here... and that something may just be nothing at all

Anonymous said...

Mysti, do you think that the buddhism/nihilism connection could be made through the understanding of the concept of impermanence (anicca)? This is the idea that since all phenomena aspects of a process in motion that there are truly no things.

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Anonymous said...

"What I think doesn't matter, but I will share it nonetheless."

Ha! Tell us something we don't know..

Earth as we know it said...

Shallow then Hopeless.

john e mumbles said...

All "research" is biased toward a particular end. The premise is faulty, out to prove something when no conclusive proof will ever be produced. THAT is "Mara" -the endless chasing after rainbow's end.

Bolstering an argument with other arguments to legitimize an absurdity. Thinking you are smarter than everybody else. So what?

Where are "you" in this process? Not to be found either. Give up the search, sit and marvel over what a fool you've been.

And have a good laugh about it.

john e mumbles said...

P.S. Megalomania = Paranoia and a tendency toward self-fulfilling prophecy.

Typically, the paranoia is reduced to a singular focus (ie; a version of Christianity for ex.).

Megalomaniac's often, toward the end of their lives, develop apocalyptic fantasies that have more to do with their own impending demise.

Brad Warner said...

"If you believe in nothing, honey, it believes in you" - Robyn Hitchcock

(But I can't remember which song. I think it's one from the "I Often Dream of Trains" album.)

Brad Warner said...

Here it is;

sidelit (!) said...

If you believe in nothing, honey, it believes in you.


sidelit (!!), having checked the link said...

Oh...I see. It's satire.

"...for God's sake don't waste any faith on me" and so forth.

Mysterion said...

Blogger john e mumbles said...
'All "research" is biased toward a particular end. The premise is faulty'

The same can be said of life itself. Life is biased toward a particular end (survival of the species).

The premise is faulty. The chain of life requires a symbiosis between neighboring species and, for example, without fish you loose fishermen and the societies that depend on fish as a primary food. Without forests, you loose the aquifer and the water flowing from the spring in summer.

The loss of Mount Kilimanjaro's Glacier means a huge part of Africa is fucked - and the Africans that depend on water from Mount Kilimanjaro's Glaciers are doomed. And with their loss, the flow of water in late spring and summer. What can you and I do about it? Too late. Nothing.

Roll the closing credits. Strike up the orchestra.

Mysterion said...

sorry, a little miracle music - with orchestration...

with shades of the Ben Hur theme in the middle...

and who are the dreaming dreamers?

Mysterion said...

somebody sed:
"I believe Christianity will come to change with time."

Fine. Become a lamp unto yourself and move away from the darkness.

(other comments removed as less constructive)

R said...


You’re doing about all you can to keep the light from appearing within yourself.

You’re seeking within dead ash [not in the “dead” Buddhist way Dogen is talking about in Ryugin] imagining it can teach you about living trees.

If you find out what has Christianity been in its known form and what might it appear as in the future you might be moving away from the darkness you never so far seem to have noticed.

Zazen does its thing but it’s not quick.

I suppose for you death will come before awakening.

can’t even say “cheers” but I don’t feel like it anyway

Anonymous said...

Ran K and Mysterion have different opinions.

I wonder who's right?

Mr. Reee said...

Or, who's wrong?


who's youhoodee?

Anonymous said...

(Don't take it personal, Ran ;)

Sean Penn on guitar, as usual, I see.

Anonymous said...


Mr. Reee said...

Buddha was a scat-man.

Think Mel Torme.

YKW said...

"Ran K and Mysterion have different opinions.

I wonder who's right?
" (- 6:20 am, - CB?)

It is not possible for a single Buddhist teacher not to know the answer, though many would be more than reluctant to talk about it.

YSKW said...

The same applies to a number of married ones.

Not CB this time said...

One Buddhist teacher
Disagrees with another
I wonder who's right?

YSKW (H) said...

Is it possible for 2 + 2 not to be 4?

Is it possible for 2 + 2 not to be at all?

Do I wonder - or did I never?

Do the questions exist in the first place - or have they been empty from the start?

You Still Know Who (- Hopefully - i.e.) said...

answers upside down.

or they may not be.

have it your way.

there isn't any other.