Thursday, March 11, 2010

SPAWNING GROUND & TV SCREEN HEAD

First and most importantly, the second of the download versions of the Dimentia 13 LPs I recorded in the 80s is now available. You can find it on iTunes or you can download it from Amazon.com by clicking here or by clicking on the link over there to your left. If you want to read about the album for free download this PDF file that tells you everything you could ever possibly want to know about the album. Then buy the download.

This is my other favorite of the Dimentia 13 records. It was all recorded at home on 4-track cassette machines. It's a very intimate record.

Today I am reporting from the home of Mickey "X-Nelson" Hurray, drummer for Zero Defex, in Akron, Ohio where I am spending the night before making the final haul of my ass to Durham tomorrow. Right after I get to Durham, though, I am getting on a plane bound for Texas. I'll be speaking in Houston, running a retreat in Austin, then heading back to North Carolina for a retreat there, followed by yet another retreat in Brooklyn. After Brooklyn I'll be in Baltimore and then Richmond, Virginia. All of my tour dates are right here. Or as follows:


TEXAS

• March 14, 2010 (Sun) 9:45 am Houston Zen Center - 1605 Heights Blvd., Houston, TX 77008 (Dharma Talk, public welcome) For info contact info@houstonzen.org

• March 18 - 21, 2010 (Thurs - Sun) Austin Texas Dharma Punx Retreat (registration required). For info write to Bosco at bosco_freak@yahoo.com


NORTH CAROLINA

• March 25 - 28, 2010 (Thurs -Sun) 4 Day Zazen Retreat (registration required) Southern Dharma Retreat Center - 1661 West Rd., Hot Springs, North Carolina 28743 (near Asheville) Register at southerndharma@earthlink.com


NEW YORK

• April 2 - 4, 2010 (Fri - Sun) 3-Day Non-residential Zazen Retreat (registration required) Brooklyn Zen Center 398 9th Street, Brooklyn, NY 11215, contact Jacopo Buora jacopo.buora@gmail.com or call (347)237-1702 for more info.

The info for Baltimore and Richmond will be posted as soon as I get it.

I called today's piece "spawning ground" because every time I come to Akron I feel a little like a salmon swimming upstream to mate and die. Only I never get to mate with anyone here and I have yet to die. It;s just that it feels like going back to the land that spawned whatever it is I have become. I still have some kind of deep connection to this place. It's in my blood or some such thing. The taste of Luigi's pizza is like mother's milk or whatever it is that salmon babies eat.

But let me tell you about the rest of the tour so far...

I did that gig in Kansas City I mentioned last time. I was hosted there by Blake and Shari Wilson, who I also mentioned last time. Here's a photo of them so you know what kind of people to picture. It was a terrific gig. The biggest laugh I got that night was touched off by something that came up on the comments section of this very blog.

At one point in the talk I brought up that someone in the comments section here, while talking about the recent broo-haha concerning Jundo Cohen, said something along the lines of, "Why is there so much trouble within Dogen Sangha. Other Buddhist sanghas never have those kinds of arguments." At that point the entire auditorium burst into laughter. I didn't get it at first. But later on someone told me that there were currently some serious disagreements within one of the local Buddhist groups.

Folks, let me clue you in, all Buddhist sanghas -- and I do mean every single one of them everywhere in the world ever since Buddhism began -- has had (or is currently having) problems most of which make the stuff in Dogen Sangha look like tiddlywinks. And, just FYI, Mr. Cohen is not even part of Dogen Sangha and has not been associated with DS for years. In actual fact, lately the Dogen Sangha people have been getting along mightily well together. Knock on wood!

I'm not even gonna go into this subject here. I feel like I already wrote a whole gosh darned book about it! Oh, that's right. I did!

Next stop was Cedar Rapids where I was hosted by the very gracious and wonderful Zuiko Redding of the Cedar Rapids Zen Center. Zuiko is one of the greatest Zen teachers you could ever hope to meet. And she's just out there in Cedar Rapids doing what needs doing with very little fuss or fanfare. I first met her at Great Sky three years ago. You would do yourself well to seek out someone like her in your neck of the woods, or head on out to Cedar Rapids.

My two talks there were very nice. Funny story on that, a friend of mine from the area came out to Cedar Rapids to hang out and hear me talk. She's not a Zennie -- I do have a few friends who have zero interest in Buddhism -- but she was into getting a taste of it. Zuiko was kind enough to give her a spot in the Zen Center to crash, so she got a lot more Zen than she really bargained for.

After hearing loads of Zen talk and participating in a few of the ceremonies my friend said, "Oh! I get it! Zen people are nerds! It's just like learning to speak Klingon, and wearing Klingon clothes and practicing Klingon customs!"

She didn't mean this as an insult. She's quite a nerd herself (she is a friend of mine, after all). The nerdiness of Zen was something she could relate to.

It's so true, though! I've been using the phrase "Zen nerds" for a few years but it's nice to see someone from outside this particular little subculture say exactly the same thing. In some ways being way into Zen is frighteningly like being a Trekkie or a Star Wars nerd or any of those things. I first noticed this when I saw how much Zen nerds had in common with the Godzilla fanatics I had to deal with at work when I worked in the Japanese monster movie industry.

In any case, I had a grand old time in Iowa. Saw America's first ever mosque, which is in Cedar Rapids of all places. Got to hang out in Iowa City and Mount Vernon, eating cheese sandwiches and licorice flavored caramel.

Last night I hung out with my friend Alex Wald in Chicago. Alex is an amazing artist who I first met 11 years ago when I found his art on punk rock record covers and commissioned him to do some illustrations for Tsuburaya Productions. He was obviously a big Ultraman fan and used to sneak some references to Ultraman into his record covers. Alex is gonna be doing the artwork for the cover of my upcoming book from New World Library.

OK. It's almost midnight and I gotta get rested up to hit the road again tomorrow.

Good night from me & Sock Monkey!

83 comments:

Shindo said...

welcome to the nerd herd...
i love it

Anonymous said...

damn

twozies

deable

Smoggyrob said...

Hi everyone:

A mushroom, a termite, and a frog walk into a bar. The bartender looks up from cleaning a glass and asks, "Is this a joke?"

Rob

Simon said...

I think, those stuff, happening to DS or other Sanghas happens in every place where more than one two people share some interests.
I'm into living history and it's the same fu... trouble.
Sometimes you get to the point to give up the mess and stay in your flat and do not go out anymore.
But that seems to me IS reality.

Michael Gibbs said...

I was in Massillon (they're crazy about high school football!) last weekend for a reading at Backlist Books? All of Ohio is pretty much the same...boring...like Zazen.

Mumon said...

Ditto:

Tennis
Swimming
Tae Kwon Do
Violin (especially violin)


The violin folks (people really into classical violin) make the Trekkies look hip.

Mumon said...

Anyhow, your friend has her metaphors slightly off: we're Vulcans...the Vulcans were the Japanese...

Brad Warner said...

I always figured in classic Star Trek (TOS) the Vulcans were the Japanese, the Klingons were the Russians and the Romulans were the Chinese.

In ST: The Next Generation, the Borg represented the fears Americans had in the 80s about the Japanese. They all thought alike and they wanted to take over the universe very efficiently.

all the trolls said...

Brad: I'm not sure Mr. Cohen would agree with you about leaving Dogen Sangha even though he did start his own separate group. But for you to say that he has not been associated with Dogen Sangha is not telling the truth. Next to you he might have more contact than anyone else with DS members. Just because you say it don't make it so.. And for that matter why even bring it up unless you are just looking to bring him back here to defend himself and generate more controversy.

Anonymous said...

Yes, there are different views.
That's true.

Let's not do it all again, eh?

Brad Warner said...

No. Jundo Cohen very definitely left Dogen Sangha. There is no ambiguity about that. And by "association" I did not mean that he had no contact with any members of DS, but that he was not officially tied with the organization. No one is arguing about these facts.

I think it is important to make this clear. So I have.

Anonymous said...

I have nothing against Hardcore Zen, but since I'm not into punk all that much (just the music, that is) and I'm most definitely a nerd, I'll say Zen Nerd is the perfect coinage.

all the trolls said...

Brad: I think I remember Mr. Cohen stating recently on this blog that he was and always would be a member of Dogen Sangha. He said he didn't quit the group. Was he booted out? Did you personally make that decision?

P.S. Thanks for always asking about me when I can't be here.

CynicalBoy said...

Here we go again
Was he jumped or did he push?
A quiet news day

Anonymous said...

...would always be a dharma-heir of Gudo N - and so, in his eyes, always a member of the 'family' - a 'brother in the dharma'.

Words...views.

Anonymous said...

...whatever being a "member of Dogen Sangha" means, Jundo agreed not to be one. He left. He said so. Scroll back and read the 500 or 600 comments on all this three or so posts ago and you'll find Jundo quoting the page of Gudo's blog which confirmed his "leaving Dogen Sangha".

As Brad says, this much is not in dispute.

Next please.

Blake said...

Punks, Jedis, Trekkies and Zennies are all geeks... big fat nerds. And sometimes, they are the same person.

BTW, I don't shave my head because I'm a Zennie. I shave my head so that I'm easier to draw.

And Brad, we had a blast! Stay longer next time.

Mysterion said...

Blogger Smoggyrob said...
"A mushroom, a termite, and a frog walk into a bar. The bartender looks up from cleaning a glass and asks, "Is this a joke?"

To which the termite answers: "No, it's a glass."

Koan solved.

Mysterion said...
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Anonymous said...

Mysterion, seek professional counseling.

Please.

Seriously.

You need help.

jundo cohen said...

Blogger Brad Warner said...

No. Jundo Cohen very definitely left Dogen Sangha. There is no ambiguity about that. And by "association" I did not mean that he had no contact with any members of DS, but that he was not officially tied with the organization. No one is arguing about these facts.


I am going to take the risk of popping in here for the very limited purpose of saying that Brad is totally right. I did voluntarily leave the organization known as Dogen Sangha (and Dogen Sangha International ... I myself and not clear if that is the same as Dogen Sangha) when we set up Treeleaf. However, I never left my relationship to Nishijima Roshi nor (in my mind at least) to my Dharma Brothers and Sisters. I thus do not and should not have any say in how that organization is run from the time I left because I am not a member.

For what it is worth, I think (as a mere third party observer) that Brad is doing very fine things with the organization. Though some may doubt it, I truly wish him the best with that and his other pursuits.

Gassho, J

Mysterion said...

A young lady was walking along a forested path in the Carolinas. First she passed a pedestrian, who tipped his hat to her, and then she passed an equestrian, who also tipped his hat to her.

Which gentleman could have also addressed her by her first name?

















The horseman knew her.

Mysterion said...

Blogger Brad Warner said...
"I always figured in classic Star Trek (TOS) the Vulcans were the Japanese, the Klingons were the Russians and the Romulans were the Chinese."


I thought (in Star Trek) the Vulcans were the Buddhists, the Klingons were the Fundamentalists and the Romulans were the Roman Catholics.

Nobody can cling on to an archaic idea like a fundie.

And the castings of Buddha were made of metal melted in vulcan furnaces.

Theodore Sturgeon was the author who hatched the ideas... His was a simple, furst order, even neo-classical, approximation of concepts.

***************************
Theodore Sturgeon was one of a handful of writers who helped create modern science fiction in the 1940's and 50's. Along with Robert A. Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury and Arthur C. Clarke, Sturgeon, who died in 1985, found fresh ways to wed a freewheeling imagination to the intellectual grandeur of a scientific worldview. A new volume of SELECTED STORIES (Vintage, paper, $14) puts some of his best work on display.

At a time when most science fiction focused on scientist-heroes who were either saving or menacing the world, Sturgeon wrote about ordinary people under stress. Even when his stories turned on scientific breakthroughs or technological innovations, he was more interested in how such developments affected this or that individual. A careful stylist, he was less overtly poetic than Bradbury but dealt with a wider range of emotions. When he missed the mark, he could sound preachy or sentimental. At his best, he was science fiction's Sherwood Anderson.

Sturgeon's passionate commitment to his characters and their obsessions propels every story collected here, from ''Thunder and Roses'' (1947) -- in which it falls to an enlisted man to decide whether the United States should retaliate against a surprise nuclear attack, even it means the end of life on earth -- to ''Slow Sculpture'' (1970), in which a maverick genius cures a young woman's cancer by what amounts to a transfer of willpower.

Mysterion said...

I forgot the umlat over the u.

fürst

Mysterion said...

Fụ̈rst
1. ein Adelstitel: Fürst Rainier von Monaco

jetsum said...

Jundo wrote: "I did voluntarily leave the organization known as Dogen Sangha "

Hi Jundo. Were you asked to leave, or was the departure your idea? I think it is important to make this clear.

Mysterion said...

Anonymous jetsum said...

Jundo wrote: "I did voluntarily leave the organization known as Dogen Sangha "

Hi Jundo. Were you asked to leave, or was the departure your idea? I think it is important to make this clear.

***********************************
Thursday, October 18, 2007
Announcement regarding 'TREELEAF ZENDO'
Hello,

At Nishijima Roshi’s suggestion (I had great resistance to the idea for many months, but I now believe that Roshi’s idea is wise), the “Treeleaf Zendo” through which I teach will be a separate Lineage deriving from Nishijima Roshi. Accordingly, we now withdraw and “go our own way” from Dogen Sangha/Dogen Sangha International, another branch of the tree of which Buddha and Master Dogen are the root, and Master Nishijima the core.

ceplame said...

jetsum,

So now you know.

But whoever you are, and whatever problems you have in your life, I guarantee that it really is not important to make this clear.

Anonymous said...

Brad...Jundo....
uhhhh...
Would you two PLEASE stop being nice to each other!
What's next ferchristsake?
Having tea?
What will we talk about?

Of course there is always Genpo and Ken (butt-buddie) Wilber or that Bucky asswipe dude.

Mysterion said...

Now that the above clerical task has been dispensed with, PLEASE, just detach and move on.

Theodore Sturgeon was a 'sometimes student' of Manley P. Hall.

His three divisions were (I am corrected by one of my Hollywood cronies):

1) "Eastern Thinkers" had cast ikons - e.g. vulcans. This included Hindus, Buddhists, Jain, Taoists, and Confucius folks.

2) "Western Imperialists" had stone carved ikons - e.g. (Romulans) Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians.

3) The rigid - Fundies and Islam.

Manley P. Hall, a Buddhist himself, saw the rise of Islam as karmic for the colonization of the Near East. Cause - and - effect.

I stand corrected (yet another countless time).

Ga-sho-nuf

Smoggyrob said...

Hi everyone:

Rrrrrrrrr... woof! Excuse me.

Anon 108's description of life in Dogen Sangha matches my experience. It's DSLA, it's friendly and supportive, and it's about zazen. Some get lunch after, sometimes we go somewhere as a group, and some see each other outside zazen. But the reason we sit as a sangha is to support each others' practice, and I'm sitting today because of it.

DSLA is... people! And that's what it acts like, a bunch of people. I act like this:

Thích Nhất Hạnhnies, Dharma Punx, I'm talking to you! The courts will run red with your blood at the 2nd Annual Los Angeles Buddhist Beach Volleyball Tournament this Halloween (after the zazen, kinhin, beach clean-up, and vegan lunch)!

The Klingons were the Soviets, the Romulans the Threatening Asians, the Vulcans the Wise Asians, and the Borg represent US Corporatism. Nerds are great, more so if they're fellow nerds, nerding about the same thing you do. I once played a seventy-two-hour Dungeons & Dragons game. We tore through seven dungeon modules in a row -- geek is bond if you know which seven. And keep a secret.

Rob

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CynicalBoy said...

A problem with Zen:
People can confuse it with
Being Japanese

Mysterion said...

exactly

Anonymous said...

zen is a fluffy starship

Mysterion said...
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acephaleo said...

Spock say:

If you look for the "present moment" you will never find it.

Beam me off Scotty.

Anonymous said...

that sounds like heisenberg's proof of anatta

jundo cohen said...

Jundo wrote: "I did voluntarily leave the organization known as Dogen Sangha "

Hi Jundo. Were you asked to leave, or was the departure your idea? I think it is important to make this clear.


Just for purposes of clarifying this ...

I had some suggestions to Nishijima Roshi about putting into place some systems of ethical checks (I think I had just read "Shoes Outside The Door" at the time), and suggested that DSI might be managed by a board of Roshi's Dharma Heirs. The idea was rejected, and Nishijima decided to go with the old Japanese feudal way of one man for life (which, by the way, I totally honor and respect). Nishijima Roshi then suggested I could set up Treeleaf the way I want. We went back and forth on that awhile, then finally Treeleaf became its own independent lineage. So .... mutual.

Howeverm he has a way of looking happy whatever he is saying or doing (the same Nishijima Roshi that appears smiling in all the videos) .... but later I discovered that he was actually not so happy (behind the Japanese smile) I had decided to pull out of the organization.

That's how I remember it.

Now ... back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Gassho, J

Mysterion said...
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300 foxes said...

Buddhism teaches that we are each responsible to ourselves for the actions of our own agency. That, by the karmic law of cause and effect, we will compensate (or be punished, if you will) either in this like or in the next.

Someone suggested that monks answer to a 'Board of Roshis' (thereby having himself declared an official roshi) which:

1) Demonstrated missing the first point above
2) Demonstrated craving

&ct.

How can a master politely say: "What else have you failed to learn?"

This, the master is silent.

Mobius Dick said...

Is there no end to this?

Jinzang said...

In the original Star Trek, Spock represented the intellect, Bones the emotions, and Kirk the will. The Klingons were a result of trying to fit a cold war story line into the series. They represented the Soviet Union, but also all communists. The Romulans represented old fashioned militaristic imperialism. They were more fascist than anything else. And they didn't play a large role in the original series. After Spock became the most popular character in the series, the Vulcan story was developed in contradictory ways in different scripts. In some Vulcan represented Japan and the Far East.

Mysterion said...

One can easily read too much into star trek.

the enterprise was a staring vehicle, spock the leprechaun child doctor on steriods, kirk the viking ship captain, and bones the frat rat Yale MD (from 'skull & bones.')

or something else

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5-7-5 said...

By having a 'review board' the door was kept ajar with one foot inserted.









toe in the door way

what? next the big slam came

bruised with bad feelings

nevus flammeus said...

this DSI JC conflict is a virtual stain on the face of Buddhaism

flotsum said...

I think Jundo is right. I can see where in theory, the best and brightest of us might serve the group better as leader than rule by a senate of distinguished members. But in reality, group mind is almost always a better than that of the dicktator. One man leader for life is really old school and old testament for that matter.

Anonymous said...

fiddy!

Itinerant Gamer said...

Smoggyrob: Was one of them Keep on the Borderlands?

matt

proulx michel said...

CynicalBoy said...

A problem with Zen:
People can confuse it with
Being Japanese


Ay, I have witnessed some AZI "godos" when they talk during zazen (which is a bloody pain in the arse), automatically assuming a "samurai" type of voice: deep, guttural, and slashing. Otherwise, they'd speak normally, but when in the "zen master role playing", they act Japanese...

Ran K. said...
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Ran K. said...

At one point in the talk I brought up that someone in the comments section here, … said something along the lines of, "Why is there so much trouble within Dogen Sangha. Other Buddhist sanghas never have those kinds of arguments."”.

wise like orangutan, - that was me.

It wasn’t about the Dogen Sangha. It was about Nishijima’s linage. - Mind the difference.

And it was not about arguments, though not being able to come to an agreement I can’t understand either.

- As I responded to 108 responding to mine: “I don’t think you’ll be able to find bad blood among masters in any other Sangha”. (last sentence, now deleted.)

The situation was obviously that one person was lying over a period of time or out of his wits. - A master. - This is not a normal thing and I don’t think you will be able to find an example of this kind elsewhere. - In another Sangha.

Else, - Brad not replying to Jundo’s invitation, and either Rocca’s “Why have you come here?” (taking Jundo’s version) or Jundo’s extremely unpleasant behavior (if we take Peter Rocca’s version as reported by brad) on Sept. 12th, - do seem to indicate bad blood. Or am I wrong?

One would rarely come of an example of a Dharma heir referring to his master as a “very stupid man”. - Note the link Jundo supplied to the Gold mining blog. The words are meant explicitly and not as a joke.
Jundo seem to be letting us know that those two have had similar trouble before.
He is also talking about a lot of stuff going on, - I don’t know what that is about.

- Also – If Nissim Amon is not talking to Gil Alon because the latter forgot to mention his name on a Radio or TV interview, - this is not a normal thing and not a sign of wisdom. (- Gil Alon put that stuff about Nissim Amon on Wikipedia. Nissim Amon claimed it was untrue and corrected it. I suppose they got it right in the end. But is that the stuff that normally happens among transmitted Buddhas in other Sanghas? I don’t think you’ll be able to find an example which would truly prove to be of the same thing in other Sanghas, but perhaps I am wrong.)

- Else – you might note Mumon’s 7th comment, (12:00 pm) Brad’s reply, (10th, 12:50 pm) and mine at 5:05 pm, - (presently last) all under "the alleged "assault" in Tokyo" - two posts ago.

It seems brad is sometimes just saying things.


He’s saying: “In actual fact, lately the Dogen Sangha people have been getting along mightily well together”. I believe that. It was the exceptions I was relating to.


Perhaps Brad was misunderstanding what I was talking about, but it doesn’t seem to me he’s that interested in presenting things just the way they are.


Else – if I want to further comment I suppose I have to study this. I watched some of it as a kid but I guess I liked “Space 1999” better. At first at least.

Amazing if you came to know how stupid these things are.
Well, some of them at least.

(It’s a funny thing analysis of the American society should depend on “Star Trek”.
Look for days to come.)


Now be quick to read it – at midnight it turns into a pumpkin.


And one more – I don’t suppose I’ll be able to find examples to what I am talking about in the Brad’s book - whichever this is. I don’t suppose it would be about that sort of thing.

Be my love said...

A song for Mysterion’s poodle.

Anonymous said...

Rankness said

But is that the stuff that normally happens among transmitted Buddhas in other Sanghas? I don’t think you’ll be able to find an example which would truly prove to be of the same thing in other Sanghas, but perhaps I am wrong.)

Maybe Jundo wasn't so stupid to ask for those ethics standards, and to bailout of the plane when he didn't get them. Just sayin'

trammodi said...

So, Ran K...

(FWIW, my guess is that neither Peter or Jundo is "lying", but they felt, saw and recall what happened differently. This is very usual in such incidents, when things happen quickly and nerves are on edge. But it's gone, done, finished. We weren't there and we'll never know for sure.)

So please let's move on. The general issue you raise is interesting though:


Either the people you speak of are not true zen masters -

Or true zen masters are not the people you think they are.

What then of the transmission?
Nishijima received it from Rempo Niwa, who was the head of the Soto zen sect in Japan. Is it posible that he made a mistake? Perhaps. But that would mean the head of the soto sect doen't know a Master when he sees one.

If no mistake, then Nishijima is a true master. And how could Nishijima, a master, make a mistake...or several mistakes with the masters he has transmitted?

Or perhaps it's that zen masters in the modern western world, look and behave differently from the zen masters of legend we read about, but never met. Perhaps modern, western zen buddhism is going to look quite different from tradituinal Japanese zen buddhism. (I hope so). Or perhaps the masters of old weren't so different, but the legends make it look so. Or perhaps we want to believe they were different, but they weren't.

Choose your preferred view. Whatever, it doesn't matter so much. If you have a teacher you trust, and who is teaching you valuable things, then why care about this business? If you don't yet have a teacher, and are looking for one, then trust your judgment and make a choice from what's available to you. That's all you can do.

It's not so difficult.
It's not such a problem.

Brad Warner said...

You don't think Zen teachers disagree? Even when they're in the same lineage?

You're joking, right?

john e mumbles said...

Ran? You never did. You are still running in place. You're still crashing in the same car.

"Comparisons are odious." Take Cervantes advice.

Now, run up the hill backwards.

thunner said...

If every one was alike, what a boring world it would be in which we are living.






Come to think of it, there are enough similarities that it is a boring world in which we are living.




Mount Toba should not have, or to an even greater degree should have, erupted.

trammodi said...

Anon 7.22am wrote:

Maybe Jundo wasn't so stupid to ask for those ethics standards, and to bailout of the plane when he didn't get them. Just sayin'

I wonder how that would work? Insisting that candidates for transmission promise not to misbehave? That's called taking the precepts, isn't it. And taking the precepts is clearly no guarantee that the precepts are never broken, or that precept-takers never misbehave.

Or perhaps it means dismissing masters (teachers) who have misbehaved from the sangha? As this particular sangha (DS) is not monastic what would actually happen? Would the transgressor have his teaching certificate revoked? But that means taking back the transmission and that can't be done. Once a master, always a measter. There's no reason that couldn't change, I suppose. (But I doubt that's what Jundo had in mind).

Or perhaps it means putting a black mark by a teacher's name in a master's record book: "Students are warned that X has been physically aggressive to another sangha master/student." But word gets round pretty quick - there's no need for a book. A blog will do ;-)

Or perhaps the transgressing master would be put before a disciplinary hearing? Again, if the sangha is monastic, that makes some sense, I suppose. But as that teacher can carry on teaching to any students who are happy to be taught by him/her, then there seens little point in that. A master gets feedback in other ways...like emails...and blogs...

The idea of establishing ethical standards might sound nice, but seems to have little practical meaning. IMHO.

DJ #1 said...

A long distance dedication to Brad, James, Mike and all the heirs of Gudo...

Moses said...

JC may be a retired lawyer. Or he may be an unemployed lawyer. Or he may be an unemployable lawyer, owing to the requirements for local qualification to practice law. Regardless, it is a given that he knows something about law codes.

He may know the torah and the observably silly law codes like the Levitical Law. Deuteronomy is Hammurabi borrowed without interest so I will not digress further into that pit.

The point is, any ass-wipe* tribe in the god-forsaken desert can conjure up a bunch of rules that may work in the local context for the immediate moment but lack validity in the face of change over time.

And Buddha taught that change is constant.

The single largest impediment to progress is not the bull crap in near eastern scriptures, it is the fundies who believe the bull crap in the three Abrahamic Traditions. While they go about the acceptable sacred business (to them, at least) of killing each other off, the rest of the planet, on occasion, gets sucked into giving a shit. And, in my opinion, giving a shit about the near east is a waste of time, money, and effort - except for Disney.

So, DSI needs another 'Book of Rules' like a fish needs a motorcycle.

*There are innumerable rules for wiping one's ass and hiding the fact that you are wiping your ass, and so forth.

Yet another jewboy said...

Moses Mysterion,

Careful with the "Jundo COHEN = JEW = LAWYER = may know the TORAH" talk.

In the snarky tone you're employing it sounds very much like stereotypically unpleasant stereotyping of jews.

OK, you don't like the guy, but I suggest you avoid the JEW cliches. Cheap. Not nice.

john e mumbles said...

Moses Mysterion: What do you consider the difference between fundamentalists and traditionalists? Aren't they fundamentally, traditionally the same? I think you referring to extremists, the fringe groups that create an atmosphere of intolerance and fear. Any group of people organized around a concept can be subjected to disagreements that may end in violence. The idea that your point of view is correct and others are not is at the heart of it. Let it go.

Kerouac had a prayer: "(your name, your enemy's name, your Mom's, your poodle's, etc. here) equally empty, equally to be loved, equally a coming Buddha."

Anonymous said...

"The only scandalous thing that happened at Zen Center (Tassajarra) is how I was treated."--Richard Baker Roshi

Itinerant Gamer said...

as an aspiring teacher, I had to sign a "Waiver of good faith and moral standards" to be accepted into my teaching program. It's kind of a joke among teacher candidates, because to ask for a system of checks like that is silly. but the organization covered their ass!

cheers
matt

Ra-Moses said...

Mysterion? LOL

gottcha, buddy.

I think Mr. Mysterion and I might have attended a grad. seminar together on holy hill.

First, Moses was no Jew!
Second, Mohammedans are rarely former Jews.
Third, Christians are rarely former Jews.
(How could they be?)
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/11/20/Tyre-and-the-Tell-El-Amarna-Tablets.aspx
Forth, Jews? Who were they? Who could they have been? Nobody really knows. They are a loose tradition codified at best.

What we are talking about in the Near East is a set of TRADITIONS born of Hammurabi's law code. So, in the Reaganesque* trickle-down tradition, it became the Abrahamic Tradition(s). The entire problem in the near east can be, in summery, described as children fighting over a legendary inheritance. It's not about Jews or Islamics or Christians. It's about people - troubled people.

The analysis of the problem is best dealt with by child psychologists and Mr. Mysterion is no child psychologist. I have been hanging out my shingle for 25+ years.

Mr. M. and I generally agree on one and only one thing: "Children often fight over things which, to an adult, do not matter."

*http://dictionary.babylon.com/Reaganesque

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proulx michel said...

Brad Warner said...

You don't think Zen teachers disagree? Even when they're in the same lineage?

You're joking, right?


Probably. That person is unaware of the fact that I, for one, the Supreme Leader of "A Southern Zen", the Montpellier section of Dogen Sangha, with the frightening number of 5 persons attending zazens, I, I say, I, am at odds with some of my lord Warner's positions upon kesas and Dharma transmission.

Let it be recorded! (sssssss...)

That other jew said...

Ra - Moses,
Whoever you may be,

Yes, I thought you'd come back with "you missed the point - it's not about JEWS. My snark at Mr Cohen in was in no way anti-semitic, I was merely making a point about law-giving. Who are/were the JEWS anyway?...don't trip..."

That's not how it might sound to us ultra-sensitive, paranoid jews. As Mr Mumbles observed, your comment was primarily an attack on Jundo Cohen's suggestion of DSI ethical guidelines/committe/monitoring. It made the connection between his being a lawyer and prone to simplistic legalistic resolutions and his being a JEW - in the context of an unpleasant attack.

I'm just pointing out that that connection is often used to stereotypically crticize jewish people and therefore might be offensive, to some. (It's very similar to the theme of the attacks Mike Cross used to make on Jundo. His were more blatant, and somehow more forgiveable for being honest, I thought - I doubt that Jundo felt the same way).

I was merely a little offended. I'm over it. But you deserved a friendly warning. Next time: the Anti-Defamation League, then Mossad.

Mysterion said...

proulx michel said...
"Ay, I have witnessed some AZI "godos" when they talk during zazen (which is a bloody pain in the arse), automatically assuming a "samurai" type of voice"

And in ignorance, these people are not even aware that samurai (saburai) means "gentleman's attendant." Each member of the nobility, or court, had a couple of these attendants to intercept the incoming sword blade on his (her) behalf. Another term for hired "sacrificial goat."

Samurai were the top of the four 'visible' classes in the Japanese Feudal System. There were either 22 or 24 classes - depending on time periods - pre 1078 BCE or post 1078 BCE.

Top of top = tenno
bottom of bottom = eta (of which there were two classes)

proulx michel said...

Another Jew wrote:
I was merely a little offended. I'm over it. But you deserved a friendly warning. Next time: the Anti-Defamation League, then Mossad.


No! Not the Mossad! haven't you noticed they're the laught of the world by these times?

Ran K. said...

To Brad: - (8:00 am)

I am a person for whom it may be very troublesome to get along with certain people.

Fighting is usually due to be on account of the stupidity or ignorance of at least one of the sides involved.

I would expect peace among realized individuals, (assuming we can still call them that) to a reasonable degree at least.

The ineffable does have some very evident traces sometimes. This may be the most evident of them.

Can you find any fault with these lines above?

(P.S. – same linage or not the same linage irrelevant. Doesn’t even matter if it’s a Buddhist master or of any other spiritual path.)

Another jew (same one) said...

Mossad! haven't you noticed they're the laught of the world by these times?

Your remark has been reported, PM.

I wouldn't open the door to any toupe-wearing middle-aged men in tennis shorts if I were you.

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Ran K. said...

To proulx michel: (1:28 pm)

Assuming you are a Dharma heir, (your blog seems to be in Chinese, I can only read Hebrew, if I understand correctly you are, and there doesn’t seem to be a list anywhere [btw – perhaps Brad or Nishijima should have one available on the internet]) it doesn’t even matter if of Nishijima or not, - assuming you and Brad meet, - and express your views to each other to the best of your ability, - are you saying you are unable to even come to an agreement that one way (yours) would be better for you and another (Brad’s) would be better for him?

If so – this is truly something I do not find myself able of comprehending.

As far as I know Nishijima, - would I have disagreements with him, - would I express my view in full to him – and this should be possible for me – I believe it would be possible for him to determine which one of us is wrong.

I would assume this ability would be mutual when two masters meet. (I suppose it would be better unuse this word – “masters”. Perhaps in the future.)

So far,
Ran

me again said...

And this song is for thunder. (- ? - "thunner"; @ 8:22 am)


Couldn’t do otherwise.

Joe said...

I heard and **played** Dimentia 13 on WRUW-FM 91.1 in Cleveland so many years ago (around the actual time the LPs were actually released)! Randy Woodling played the band on "Two-Brained Stegosaurus Drive In," and after hearing, I had to follow suit on "Put On Your Face" (for those you who were theerrrreee, maaaaan, and want their memory strings plucked).

PhillySteveInLA said...

Ran.
Stop assuming and look at the real world. If so-called Masters throughout history didn't have irreconcilable differences, do you think there would be so many schools of Buddhism?
Not that long ago a teacher named Bob Moore split from the Kwan Um School of Zen under a similar flurry of nonsense and accusation.
Zen is just this life, and most of the time this life ain't pretty.

Cheers!

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גיל אלון Gil Alon said...

Was very surprised to come across your statement that I loaded the details of my depute with Nissim on the Wikipedia page. I did not do that. It was done by someone else unknown both to Nissim and myself. But you wrote it without bothering to find out the truth,like it is verified, using it as an example of misbehaving. How come?

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