Sunday, February 07, 2010

ZEN WRAPPED IN KARMA DIPPED IN SEX

Yesterday we had our first Zen and Sex lecture at Hill Street Center. There are three more to come, and everyone is welcome. The info is in the links section over to your left or right here.

Part of the discussion got into some of the matters discussed in my book ZEN WRAPPED IN KARMA DIPPED IN CHOCOLATE. But before we get into the sex talk, I want to share with you an email I got last week regarding that very book. Here goes:

Hey, I just read your Zen Wrapped... book. My name is Jen I am a 37y.o. stay at home mom of 3 girls. I also am a Born-Again Christian who goes on missions trips to Africa and here in the States, to spread and teach the word of Jesus. That being said, my best friend is a practicing Buddhist; we practice yoga and meditate together, and she loaned me your book. I read it in 2 days, don't get too excited though I sat in the dentist office for 3 hrs waiting for my hubby to get 2 root canals.

I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed your book and your honesty, it took great courage and humility to expose yourself the way you did. It's refreshing to have a person in the "Spiritual Teacher" (gosh, I hate that term, it hurts to even type it) role, to tell people that they are just...PEOPLE TOO! So many "religious" people are ridiculously judgmental, Jesus even said that he was not put on the earth to judge. OK, now I'm getting all Christiany-like.

I have not heard of a book in the Christian religion of a minister exposing his/her self as a common sinner (in Christian terms) with dark secrets and sordid indiscretions. I personally know ministers who have made some pretty big mis-steps, but not many people, of any belief or faith, would be so honest.

Well, I've rambled on long enough and I have to put icing on my daughter's cupcakes for her class tomorrow. I thought that you may want to hear from a Born Again Christian Missionary Mom and wife, that I think your book ROCKS! I can't wait for the next one.


Wow. Gosh. I felt really good when I read that one. It's got to be one of the best reviews I've ever read about something I've written. As time goes by I grow ever more certain that publishing that book was the right thing to do, even in spite of the hits I've taken from some quarters for talking about stuff some feel ought not to be discussed.

I think it's really vital to demolish the pop culture's image of the guru or Zen Master as spiritual super being. As plenty of people have pointed out, there are very few folks out there who think of me as such a super being. Thank you, Jesus! But I'd had enough of writers who try and demolish some guru's image by pointing fingers at him and saying how badly he behaved since I think that only tends to reinforce the idea that there are such super beings out there, it's just that whatever guy happens to be under examination is not one of them. It was better to turn the focus on myself and demolish me.

Blah-blah-blah... I've said all this in the book so I don't want to get into it here again.

One of the fascinating things that's happened here in Bloggerland in regard to the sex talk we've been doing is the sudden reappearance of lots of trolls in the comments section. Now, by "trolls" I'm not just referring to anonymous commenters or even just to anonymous commenters who have negative things to say. I'm talking about people who post anonymously or pseudonymously with deliberately hurtful comments that, more often than not, are wildly off topic. For example, in the comments section of my last entry on this blog I had one guy who wanted to spread untrue rumors about the sales figures of my books and the attendance at my talks, and I had another guy who insulted the quality of Dimentia 13's music.

These and other comments along the same lines are not intended to further any sort of debate or even simply criticize what I do here. They appear to me to be the reactions of people who feel they have been deliberately and specifically personally hurt by me and therefore feel justified in trying to personally hurt me back. Please don't take this stuff personally. OK? It ain't about you.

It would appear that the very idea of someone in my position talking about sex is seen as personally hurtful to some. It's difficult for me to comprehend why that would be. But I can only theorize that it's because sex is such a hot button issue in our culture that there are still a lot of people who feel it should absolutely not be talked about. They feel that such talk constitutes a personal attack on them. Perhaps because they hold certain views very, very strongly. If these views come under attack it is as if they, themselves, have been attacked.

That, in itself, brings up one of the reasons that sex had been so highly regulated among Buddhist practitioners. If one can somehow sidestep the entire area of human sexuality by, for example, remaining truly celibate and not engaging in any kind of sexual behavior or discussion, one would avoid getting into this hot button area and thus live a more peaceful and regulated life.

This seems a reasonable theory to me. But it also seems to be so incredibly difficult to put into practice especially in the West in the 21st century that it hardly bears talking about. If you can accomplish such a feat you certainly don't need any advice from me! The next best solution would be to have a stable marriage. Again, this is great if you can manage it. But not all of us are able to (Brad points to himself). What do the rest of us do?

People in the comments section have raised the issue of whether or not I am qualified to talk about sex. I'm not sure what sort of qualifications one needs. I have had sex. I worked in the "porn industry," albeit in a very tangential way in a segment that is arguably not even porn but erotica. Still, I have some contacts there.

But more than that, I encountered Buddhist practice in my late teens. I also had my first sexual relationships at about the same time. So pretty much all of my life as a sexual being has been deeply influenced by Zen practice and philosophy. I've thought a lot about this, talked a lot to my teachers about it, and spent a long time specifically observing how sex affected my practice and vice versa.

Enough from me, though. Here is an interesting post from porn star Nina Hartley (see link to my interview with her to your left) that has a very Buddhist point of view to it. Nina's parents are both Zen monks, so that may account for it. This is pretty dirty, so be careful. Probably NSFW, but there are no dirty images, just dirty talk. The Zen stuff comes up about 1/3 of the way through.

http://www.edenfantasys.com/sexis/sex/tuesdays-nina-cowgirl-0126101/

70 comments:

Harry said...

Ooooohhhh yeah... SEX! xoxoxox

john e mumbles said...

Well put, Brad. Finally a bit of clarity on the connection between your experience of Zen and your opinions about sex. I still wonder who will be interested in such a book...but if the Xtian housewife with the hubby with bad teeth is to be believed, apparently ANY topic can be grist for the writer's mill. Gee, even "sex."

silentdebate said...

Sex is a new thing for me. Actually, the prospect of having sex is a new thing. I come from a background where sex is considered sacred and is limited to a heterosexual monogamy. To read this blows my mind. I believe knowledge is a great help for compassion, and now I can say I am on the way to understanding that crazy sex can be had in a sacred way.

Allison said...

I don't think that people's comments regarding your talks about sex stem from people feeling insulted. Instead, I think its all about fear. If your own sexuality is something that you aren't comfortable with, the most frightening thing is encountering a being who is comfortable talking about sex and all the uncertainties that surround it. I actually think that fear is the primary emotion driving most hurtful behavior.

Anonymous said...

john e mumbles writes:

"Well put, Brad. Finally a bit of clarity..."

OH NO!!!

Think for yourself, mumbles! Stop licking Brad's boots or you'll start to get stupid. You know...fall into group stupidity. If you were impressed with that little tidbit of Brad's, you might even end up reading one of his books, which remember you vowed you'd NEVER do! He's found his niche market...and it could be YOU!!!

...Just kiddin, john. Nice to have you as a member of the clique. Knew we'd get ya in the end. Those insidious marketing techniques are irrestable ;-)

Whatever happens, never forget - it's all just individual conjecture, ie; opinion.

Jinzang said...

I think its all about fear.

Maybe so. But I still think it's impossible to know the motivation of another person you have never met and only know through a comment on a forum.

Nathan said...

It never ceases to amaze me how much of a Wild West experience your comments section is Brad.

anon #108 said...

Lest I be misunderstood (who cares?), the stuff I wrote in the last comments section about porn/erotica - that it's not necessarily a bad thing - wasn't meant to suggest that no-holes-barred (!), promiscuous all-over-the-place sex (as if!) is great. Not many of us of us are as liberated as Nina Hartley. Sexual relationships, for most of us, are complicated. They expose sensitivities and weaknesses that few, if any, other activities do. People can get very hurt.

Hence the precept not to misuse sex. Wish I knew what it meant - I mean how to avoid trouble - short of total abstension (not a good or useful idea for many). Perhaps BW's new book will shed some light.

Anonymous said...

Brad said: "I had another guy who insulted the quality of Dimentia 13's music."

Brad, I've listened to the music. It really isn't very good. Does this mean I'm a troll?

Hugh Hefner said...

It would appear that the very idea of someone in my position talking about sex is seen as personally hurtful to some. It's difficult for me to comprehend why that would be. But I can only theorize that it's because sex is such a hot button issue in our culture that there are still a lot of people who feel it should absolutely not be talked about.

Jeezuz Brad, making up a non issue to make yourself look controversial. Since Gay Ginzberg and the howling Bi Beats (who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob behind a partition in a Turkish Bath when the blond & naked angel came to pierce them with a sword,
who lost their loveboys to the three old shrews of fate
) to all the free love generation old hippies who became Zen teachers in the West that you go on about (http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Buddhism/2003/06/Practicing-With-Sexuality.aspx) Zen teachers have been talking about Buddhism and sex and love and plain old fucking. This is Zen in the West.

Although you are well past the age of finishing your mid-life crisis and a red sports car, you still seem like a kid who got caught in the barn with a stack of his dad's playboys.

john e mumbles said...

Hey Anonymous said..., guess you didn't read the rest, but no matter. Bet you can't wait to hear more about Buddihist sex with elephant trunks, just individual conjecture (opinion) o'course. (of course)

anon #108 said...

Hi Jim!

I think you might have misread...

It would appear that the very idea of someone in my position talking about sex is seen as personally hurtful to some...there are still a lot of people who feel it should absolutely not be talked about."

I don't hear that as "I am the first Buddhist EVER to talk about sex." Why do you?

- Righteous Defender of the Misrepresented. (cheap rates)

Anonymous said...

"I don't hear that as "I am the first Buddhist EVER to talk about sex." Why do you?"

I hear as "I am the first Buddhist EVER to understand sex in the buddhist world."

anon #108 said...

Well Jim, what can I say? That's not what it says. But, you know...whatever.

Brad Warner said...

Anonymous at 6:17: Yes.

alan said...

Brad,

I'm enjoying your increased engagement with the comments section.

I'm not sure why, but it feels like someone trying to keep score at a free style mud wrestling contest, all the while knowing how absolutely ridiculous keeping score really is.

Very damn good.

Anonymous at 6:17 said...

Brad: If you like the music, that's all that counts. I'm not a big believer in artistic relativism. Some music is poorly conceived and poorly played no matter how much the artiste wants it to be glorious. Dim-13 is noise to my ears.

Anonymous said...

If you criticise Brad in any way for any thing, you are by his Bradness' definition a dreaded troll. Only compliments and adoration are welcome here, thankyou.
Also,
Never point out that Brad dishes out exactly what he can't take. That makes you a troll.
Brad's an ok guy, just not a very good wizard.

Robin said...

I read your interview with Nina Hartley a while back and loved it. I love her! I am not a porn aficionado or anything (I didn't even know who she was before reading your interview), but I truly appreciate what she says and think it's great that she's so open and honest about her sexuality. That inspires me to try to be as honest as I can as well.

So thank you for interviewing her and for being so honest yourself. While it may upset some, it does help other people.

Porno Buddhist said...

Whatever happened to this project? It never go beyond the first post.

http://pornobuddhist.blogspot.com/



I decided today to try and explain publicly a very small degree of what’s been going on in my life lately that has led to me doing some things I’ve been writing about. Once you finish reading this, you won’t really know much more than you did before and you will fill in what you don’t know with various assumptions of your own. That’s OK. I only ask you to be aware of the fact.

When I write about going to a strip club or to a party for the Suicide Girls, a lot of people fill in their own details about why I went there. They assume I was there to get my rocks off, to party hardy, to indulge in debauchery and filth. I won’t try to convince you that’s not the case because, I’m really sorry, but I just don’t care what you think. It’s not worth my time, effort and energy. You’ll probably even think that I’m writing this piece because I want to convince you of something. You’ll make a whole lot of assumptions and you’ll believe them absolutely. There’s no point in my trying to change that.

But I would like to start talking about something that’s become very important to me and the little tirades I’ve been seeing in the comments section there allow me a convenient “in” to bringing this stuff up.

My work with Suicide Girls over the past year and a half or so has opened my eyes to a lot of aspects of our culture that I hadn’t been aware of before. One of those things is the prevalence of childhood sexual abuse and its impact. In the past year I’ve heard some truly heartbreaking stories from remarkable women. Not all of them have been SG’s. But the fact that I write for Suicide Girls has made some of these people far more comfortable with telling me their stories.

In fact, the theme of sexual abuse survivors has recurred a number of times in my Zen practice. One of the members of the first sangha I was part of was a sex abuse survivor. But I was too young and full of myself to be of any help to her. In retrospect, thinking about some of the things some of the women I dated in the past told me I tend to assume now they were trying to confess some of these same things but that I was too thick and stupid to pick up on the clues.


I’m going to try to start writing about these issues in the form of a blog in the hope that it will generate material that I’ll eventually be able to digest and put into the form of a book. Because I’m taking this approach, the blog will be pretty experimental and I expect I’ll find myself taking some wrong steps and following a few blind alleys. But I believe this is necessary.

Since this stuff is a little different from what I established the Hardcore Zen blog to do, I’ve started this blog to address these topics. Who knows if I’ll be able to keep two blogs going at once. We shall see…

Just Sayin' said...

Blogger Robin said...

I read your interview with Nina Hartley a while back and loved it. I love her! I am not a porn aficionado or anything


Has anyone but me noticed that a very great percentage of the 'positive' posts that are appearing here as a counterweight to the 'trolls' are by phantom bloggers who don't actually have a blog and mysteriously appear and disappear never to be heard from again?

Check out Robin, Allison, Alan this post.

I am not implying anything of course. Just sayin'.

Anonymous said...

(who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob behind a partition in a Turkish Bath when the blond & naked angel came to pierce them with a sword,
who lost their loveboys to the three old shrews of fate)

I had to look it up. Oh.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/newyork/series/interview/ginsberg.html

Then I found this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/jan/19/allen-ginsberg-howl-film

Anonymous said...

D MET CHA THIRD TEEN

well, it's just wonderful, and I wish you'd take it up again

Is it possible? Or was that then and there and it had a good run and that's it

If so (end of the line for D-13), then what's next
(0DFex is just so DONE)

so

What's next?

am all ears

actonol

proulx michel said...

The ancient Japanese (pre-Meiji, that is), considered prostitutes as an incarnation of Kannon Bodhisattva, because enabling to ease sexual misery is also compassion.
That at least is certainly more honourable than prosecuting prostitutes for their "immorality".

On a different matter, I read some time ago a paper from a Chinese young man who went to a temple in order to further his buddhist practice (although one must keep in mind that it can also be a Communist Party provocation) and was appalled by the various attempts at raping him from the other monks.
I tend to think that the paper is authentic, because a friend of mine is a scholar in Tibetan Buddhist nuns. She speaks fluent tibetan and has been there and in India quite often. She asked me about it, because she knew this monk who seriously took to a monastery but soon got raped by the "police" monks (I can't remember their tibetan name). He complained to his master who said he could do nothing, and in the end had no other choice than disrobing.
I expressed to her the following opinion: in traditional societies, the only place where one could be relatively freely a homosexual was the monasteries, which is true for either Buddhism or Christianity. These are also societies where women are considered inferior beings.

If you have a Western society where, more or less, women have acceeded to a better status, officially (albeit not always factually) equal to that of men, then sex takes a different dimension. It becomes much less of a danger to the stability of society and can be envisioned with much more serenity. That doesn't mean that all members of those Western societies are so comfortable with sex as one might think, but that the idea of self restraint is much better integrated.

I remember my brother-in-law's family, in Lebanon: they are Druze, and therefore quite equalitarian between women and men. But they complained that when they had to work near Syrian workers, they had to be careful, because of the inherent sexual frustration of the average Arab.

We, as a civilisation, have gone quite far in the direction of a peaceful relation between sexes. But much remains to be done. And not only in faraway underdeveloped lands...

anon #108 said...

Thanks, PM.
Very interesting post.

Allison said...

Blogger Robin - I can assure you that I'm a real living person, distinct from Brad Warner (unless you want to get all Buddhist about it) and not receiving any compensation for my comments. Also, I have a blog, I just didn't click the right radio button the first time around.

Blake said...

I'd like to see some advice on keeping the sexual spark going when sitting Zazen has made you less of a perv!

alan said...

Hey Just Sayin'

****
Has anyone but me noticed that a very great percentage of the 'positive' posts that are appearing here as a counterweight to the 'trolls' are by phantom bloggers who don't actually have a blog and mysteriously appear and disappear never to be heard from again?

Check out Robin, Allison, Alan this post.
*****

Interesting comment.

Completely wrong in my case. I too exist, even though I don't blog.

I type very slowly, so I don't post often. Also I usually don't have much to add to the comment fray.

If you are interested in testing your vision of (my) reality, type "alan sailer" into google and go to the first link.

In addition, for the record, I find Brad to be interesting, exasperating, inspiring and idiotic.

(And a lot of other positive and negative adverbs).

Depending on the day and what I happen to expect from him;-)

slybone said...

I get pissed off when someone looks at my girlfriend or when my girlfriend looks at someone. This is my problem with sex. The stuff that's hard-wired into humans.

Jaeger said...

"Jeezuz Brad, making up a non issue to make yourself look controversial. Since Gay Ginzberg and the howling Bi Beats (who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob behind a partition in a Turkish Bath when the blond & naked angel came to pierce them with a sword,
who lost their loveboys to the three old shrews of fate) to all the free love generation old hippies who became Zen teachers in the West that you go on about (http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Buddhism/2003/06/Practicing-With-Sexuality.aspx) Zen teachers have been talking about Buddhism and sex and love and plain old fucking. This is Zen in the West."

Newsflash, Old Timer. Some of us didn't encounter Buddhism through Ginsburg & don't give a damn about the Beats.

Good job dropping references that don't mean shit to the new generation of American Buddhists.

Enjoy being obsolete.

anon #108 said...

Hi Jaeger -

"...the new generation of American Buddhists."

Just a friendly transatlantic reminder that Brad's books aren't only read by, and this blog isn't only visited by, or of interest to, folks in the United States of America. I believe that's known as being Americocentric

- Some Brit

anon #108 said...

Let me try that link again...

Americocentric

john e mumbles said...

If those of us that tend to disagree are to be labeled "trolls" by Bad Brad, then the diehard Bradophiles are hereby (by me at least) designated "drones" -as in service to the Queen Bee.

Brad Warner said...

Someone asked about the Porno Buddhist blog. Yeah. I feel bad about dropping that.

I still feel like there needs to be something -- a book, a blog, a zine... I don't know -- addressing the issue of childhood sexual abuse from a Buddhist standpoint. I thought I could do that. But I realized I was wrong.

It really needs to come from someone who has lived it and I have not. I've spoken to a surprising number of Buddhists who have. But I think they ought to be the ones who talk about this, not me.

Anonymous said...

Good job dropping references that don't mean shit to the new generation of American Buddhists.
Enjoy being obsolete.


I guess this is an example of the compassion and respect of this 'new generation of American buddhists'.

Brad: "Dogen said that you should...."

New Generation Buddhist: "Brad, your Dogen don't mean shit to the new generation of Buddhists."

Brad: "Nishijima roshi once explained..."

NGB: "That old dude is obsolete!"

Brad: "The Buddha..."

NGB: "Who?"

Brad Warner said...

Blake, I feel like I'm more of a perv than ever after all that zazen. The only real change is that it's not so heated and desperate, which is good. How much of this is age and how much is zazen I don't know. I suspect it's a combo of both.

Slybone, jealousy is a very interesting topic to me. I read The Ethical Slut, whose authors seem to believe jealousy is just a learned response that we can learn to overcome. But I have my doubts. It may go deeper than that. I do agree with them, though, that our specific response to jealousy is largely culturally conditioned.

I have found myself overcome at times by feelings of jealousy and been surprised at this because I had believed myself to be beyond such things. That's why I don't believe those who think it's just something we learn from society. And even if it is, that doesn't mean we can just decide not to experience it.

This is too big a topic for a comment, though. I'll try and deal with it in a posting instead.

anonymous said...

While we can't just decide to not be jealous we can try to understand what it is and where it comes from. It gets back to that core Buddhist teaching..nonattachment.

It is one thing to love someone, to have sex, to share warmth and affection... but this is not the same as possessiveness and ownership. These are the roots of jealousy. As in; What if she loves him more than me? What if she is a better lover than me? Ego insecurity lies at the root.

While someone just pointing this out to us may give us a clue where to look for solutions, just hearing the words won't solve the problem either. It's really hard to love without attachment since the two seem intertwined so deeply in our minds, but love and attachment are not the same thing. Jealousy, like nationalism, racism and sexism all spring from the same delusion.

Anonymous said...

Writing the Perfect Thesis

1. This chapter contains a provocative statement that attracts the professors’ attention, but really only has very little to do with the topic of the thesis.
2. This chapter claims to follow logically from the first chapter, though the connection is actually rather tenuous.
3. This chapter claims that very few enlightened people are willing to admit the obvious inference of the last two chapters, with an implication that the professors are not one of those very few enlightened people.
4. This chapter expresses the unwillingness of the writer to be silenced despite going against the popular wisdom, indeed the writer attacks that wisdom!
5. This chapter is a sort of drum roll, preparing the professor for the shocking truth to be contained in the next chapter.
6. This chapter serves as a delay, artfully building that ecstatic tension, by diverging off into the weeds grown wild beside the trail.
7. This chapter contains the thesis of the thesis, a trite and obvious statement cast as a dazzling and controversial insight!!

Anonymous said...

Writing the Perfect Thesis

1. This chapter contains a provocative statement that attracts the professors’ attention, but really only has very little to do with the topic of the thesis.
2. This chapter claims to follow logically from the first chapter, though the connection is actually rather tenuous.
3. This chapter claims that very few enlightened people are willing to admit the obvious inference of the last two chapters, with an implication that the professors are not one of those very few enlightened people.
4. This chapter expresses the unwillingness of the writer to be silenced despite going against the popular wisdom, indeed the writer attacks that wisdom!
5. This chapter is a sort of drum roll, preparing the professor for the shocking truth to be contained in the next chapter.
6. This chapter serves as a delay, artfully building that ecstatic tension, by diverging off into the weeds grown wild beside the trail.
7. This chapter contains the thesis of the thesis, a trite and obvious statement cast as a dazzling and controversial insight!!

Rock Gardener said...

The basic tenets of Buddhism seem to have many interpretations. Every one of us has an understanding of what these mean and how we apply their teachings to our daily life. Our interpretations can even be completely at odds with someone elses.

What do we learn of ourselves from these teachings? Do we use them daily or only when it is convienent? How do we apply them in situations throughout the day?

Anonymous said...

The only chance you have is what is right in front of your eyes>THIS is right action.However you gave only an example ,rather than something you could bear witness too. Because I think most of us don't know much about the Eightfold Path. It would beehoove us to learn some about it, though.

In my interpretation of celibacy, men shouldn't even talk to women - and vice-versa. As a result of achieving right view, you renounce those things to which you were hitherto attached because you've seen through the myth, the sham, of worldly life. And once you've renounced these former attachments and attractions, then of course it's much easier to go on to perform right speech, action and livelihood. Then, having consolidated your morality, you can go on to perfect right effort, mindfulness and concentration; otherwise, there are a lot of hindrances to meditation caused by various aspects of immorality due to which the mind won't settle down because it's agitated either by conscience or by desires. So this seems to be a logical progression, and the Buddha always does enumerate the path in that order as a causal chain, each successive step being dependent upon the prior one.

slybone said...

Brad, All you have to do is watch the discovery channel for a while to know that most animals fight about sex. meditation might help with a lot of things but when someone is hitting on your girlfriend, you become more animal than Buddhist. I think that must be why religions and governments have had all these rules for sex.

Blake said...

I think you may be on to something. It's not the perv that has gone but the desperation. Without desperation behind the wheel, it's a different ride. Age, zazen and marriage probably all factor into it.

Anonymous said...

Brad -

I'm a Catholic Priest (Harbored Pedofile) and I love your books - can't wait for the next. Oh, I read the last one in 22 hours...

Anonymous said...

I read Brad's Zen commentary because it is good.

I don't listen to Brad's music because it is not good.

There's no good or bad, just things you do and things you don't do.

Take care,
DO

anon #108 said...

Hi 11.55am -

I'm not sure that we can become better people by pro-actively pursuing some goal of 'non-attachment' via a prescribed path of renunciation of hindrances.

There are many interpretations of the Eightfold Path and the teachings of Gotama B which don't see 'worldly life' as a 'myth'/a 'sham' to be renounced.

Another approach is to give up such ideas and accept things, and ourselves, as we are. By just sitting we both practise and realise 'THIS right in front of your eyes'.

Any 'truth' which depends on rejecting the world as it is cannot be true.

Not for me.

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

Sex is something that I never had to debate the merits of. It has always been a natural thang. Being raised in the Christian Church of Christ may have added some sort of allure, but I never asked, nor wanted any info on the subject.
I guess for some, sex is a big hang-up. Never been for me.
Still looking forward to the book though, B-Rad.

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

"...jealousy is a very interesting topic to me."

We are a product of 1,000,000 years of evolution. Jealousy may have been a defense function. I protect my "area" in order to guarantee food and warmth among my tribe.

anon #108 said...

I guess for some, sex is a big hang-up. Never been for me.

You are one lucky bugger, PhilBob.

Mind you, looking at your new profile pic I can see why...just gaawjuss! Enough to turn a fella ;-)

Anonymous said...

Holy-shit! 108 is coming on to Squarehead..

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

Man, women, vegetable.....as long as it has eyes, I don't care. I just need a face.

Kevin said...

Always wanted to start a band called "Jesus's Penises"

Rock Gardener said...

"We are a product of 1,000,000 years of evolution. Jealousy may have been a defense function. I protect my "area" in order to guarantee food and warmth among my tribe."

yes.. there's that and the thing about survival of the fittest. if you want my #108, you will have to fight.

anon #108 said...

Dearest RG -

I have to hit the sack - it's well past my bed-time. But I'll be thinking of you...both.

xx

Anonymous said...

Oh Wank! How did Harry get #1?

Mr. Reee said...

When you get right down to it, sex is kinda weird.

But in a good way.

CynicalBoy said...

Indulgence of thought
Or indulgence of habit
Is indulgent self

mysteriosis said...

When you get right down to it, life is kinda weird..

Good or bad, what-EVer.

Rock Gardener said...

People can say anything and believe it, even when they know it's a lie. Attitudes like the people who have chosen to open their stupid @#$%ing mouths here are the kind that keep the meek from opening up about their lives for fear of being set upon by the Buddhist Moral Majority.

You cannot see it, but all of you are heavily loaded with negative emotions and are in the possession of a heavily indoctrinated ego, which cannot appreciate true Dharma as long as you cannot get rid of your hang-ups.

I'm done here and wish you blockheads will find true Dharma in the remaining days of your lives after all.

Don't bother throwing denigrations at my back. I will not be back to see what you said because I have more important matters to attend to than listening to your crap.

anon #108 said...

I thought he liked me :(
My heart is broken.

mtto said...

Hang Up Your Hang Ups

Ran K. said...

I wanted to just refer to the e-mail Brad brought and what he had to say following.

I haven’t read Brad’s book, but anyway, - first – the spirit is a thing that actually exists. What we call the “Buddha Body” is just the spirit. This is another point of identity with regard to things which have been discussed earlier. It is no less real than the body or anything it is able to touch. – And so is a spiritual teacher. It shouldn’t hurt to type if you know what you are talking about.

– Else – more important – with regard to this woman’s idea of “spiritual teachers”, - if we are talking about those who have actually been able to transcend that which made them see themselves as whatever they saw themselves as before actualizing the sole purpose of the human body we’ve all got – various masters, and especially in Nishijima’s linage, are trying – perhaps as hard as they can – to sell the “I’m just like everybody else”.

I don’t buy that.




When Jesus carried the cross he collapsed under it.

That does not mean he could not have lifted it with amazing ease on his small finger. (Talking about sex – I could think of other means, too. btw – that is.)

Anyway – this woman seems to me to have it all wrong.



Even as I am talking blindly – not having read the book, - I could challenge Brad to raise some dark secret from the time after he receive the transmission.

Of course such a thing would not possible.



It seems to me if we’re talking about real masters, inability to tell about the sort of things Brad seem to have would be generally on account of the audience’s fault and not their own. – It may be nice for Brad to say whatever he has, but there is no point here of accusing others.



– As of Brad’s approving, or seemingly approving, of this woman’s wrongness, - it might even seem to me as affirmation of wrongness, - [!] I don’t know if there may be room to classify this as “delusion adding to delusion”, (Dogen uses the phrase, I don’t think it’s his) but I certainly wouldn’t see it as something to rejoice in.



One other point may be that this woman seems to be lecturing in front of others, according to what she is saying in her mail. So even if what I have said so far may not be taken as criticism, and was pointed out with the thought that Brad does know what he is doing, - this possible misleading of an innocent audience may be still something to bear in mind.



And one final thing – were the situation as it is being tried to be presented – Brad could just have all those arseholes who believe what he is saying spring directly into the world of Buddhas – could he not?

I mean it just isn’t possible to become any better of what their idea is of what a man should be.

Is it?



Christ and Buddha seem to have had the whole world fooled into believing they were any better than any piece of shit being born here, - on this planet, - at the very outset.



At least they got this done right.

D said...

" I'm a Catholic Priest (Harbored Pedofile) and I love your books - can't wait for the next. Oh, I read the last one in 22 hours..."

A Catholic Priest could most certainly spell 'pedophile.'

sopmess said...

NEWS

Rock Gardener points the way!


You @#$%ing stupid negative hungup indoctrinated blockheads!

You wouldn't know the True Dharma© if it came up and bit you on your hateful ass....wouldn't know the loving kindness and compassion of a real Boddhisattva if she kicked five shades of shit out your crap-filled deluded selves and left you for dead.

Grrr!

john e mumbles said...

Drone.

Anonymous said...

Hmm... mumbles hurts when Rock Gardener is lampooned. I wonder, might they be related?

Chris said...

"I could challenge Brad to raise some dark secret from the time after he receive the transmission."

Sounds pretty hot!

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