Monday, August 24, 2009

TURKU DONE, NEXT STOP HELSINKI


Too tired from Turku to talk.

Tomorrow I've got four (4!) interviews including one with MTV-Finland, which is not Music Television, but apparently one of the biggest TV networks here. Gosh.

The gig tomorrow evening is:

•August 25, 2009 (Tues) 6 - 8:00 pm Helsinki Zen Center, Kalevankatu 4, second floor, Helsinki, contact Sami Mänty-Aho helsinki@zazen.fi

Other upcoming Finnish gigs are on the link to your left.

Come see one before I finish with the Finnish!

23 comments:

Rich said...

Yea, Finland, we love your hockey players.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely
Finnish hockey players are fantastic (but then hockey players are fantastic!)

Brad! Homlessness seems to suit you ... maybe it's the Kodo in your lineage?

Anonymous said...

Helsinki the location of one of the famous Zappa concert recordings!

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proulx michel said...

Anonymous 4:57 PM said...

Brad! Homlessness seems to suit you ... maybe it's the Kodo in your lineage?

I'm afraid Kodo is NOT part of our lineage (not anymore than it is Deshimaru's, anymway...)

Anonymous said...

Wasn't Brad's first teacher's teacher's teacher
Kodo?

Anonymous said...

Thank you for putting together a really fine kesa from all the DS groups.
(At least that was what I understood).
Please let Brad know it's got swatches donated from his own Hill Street group too!

Regina said...

Hi Brad,

we all appreciated your lectures and this sesshin with you gave us great motivation and inspired us a lot. This experience will deepen the practice of each of us. We strongly hope to see you again here in Germany.

There are some photos to share on flickr.com, please type in: dogen sangha frankfurt.

Wishing you a wonderful time in Finnland and don't get bitten by a mosquito...

Regina

Kodo said...

Gudo's first teacher was Kodo Sawaki, but Kodo refused to ordain Gudo when Gudo requested.

proulx michel said...

Kodo said...

Gudo's first teacher was Kodo Sawaki, but Kodo refused to ordain Gudo when Gudo requested.

And lineage depends on who gives the transmission. (It has to be face to face, Dogen is very adamant about it).

Facts Please said...

Kodo wrote:
"... Kodo refused to ordain Gudo when Gudo requested."

Then P-M wrote:
"And lineage depends on who gives the transmission."

Would someone who knows please clarify whether that^^ means Kodo refused to give Gudo the precepts/"ordain" him as a monk (what, if any was the difference to Kodo?), or whether Kodo refused the "transmission of the dharma" to Gudo?

As I understand it, Gudo was relatively young and inexperienced when he attended some of Kodo's talks, and maybe a sesshin or two; that was the extent of his relationship with Kodo. So I think it very unlikely that Gudo would've expected Dharma transmission from him. Perhaps Kodo declined to give Gudo the (Bodhisattva?) precepts and so recognise him formally as a student. I'd appreciate clarification from one who knows.

I've read that Gudo eventually received Dharma transmission from Renpo Niwa, then head of the Soto school in Japan.

Chodo Cross said...

Over many generations in Japan, between Dogen's death in 1253 and the end of the 19th century, certain aspects of the teaching were retained in Japan but in certain respects the teaching degenerated. Many people, me included, revere Kodo Sawaki as having been instrumental in reviving the lifeblood itself. For several years I believed that my teacher, Gudo Nishijima, had been a disciple of Kodo Sawaki. This turned out to have been a misunderstanding on my part. My teacher deeply revered Kodo Sawaki, and attended the talks and sitting retreats of Kodo Sawaki, but Kodo Sawaki did not accept him formally as a student. That must have been a difficult stimulus to deal with.

http://nothingbutthelifeblood.blogspot.com/2009/05/saundarananda-1690-from-kapphina-to.html

anon @ 6.15am said...

I have a feeling - which of course may be the result of a faulty response to a stimulus, or a bit of spot-on judgement - that the comment by "Chodo Cross", above, has not in fact been posted by Mike Chodo Cross, although it is his words - a quote from his blog (follow the link given).

Whether I'm right or wrong matters little - except, I guess, to MC himself. The commenter may've been simply trying to help...but why call yourself "Chodo Cross" when you're not? Meh.

Whatever, my question remains unanswered.

Chris Chode said...

I was also wondering if that was the "real" Chodo Cross...

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proulx michel said...

Facts Please said...

Kodo wrote:
"... Kodo refused to ordain Gudo when Gudo requested."

Then P-M wrote:
"And lineage depends on who gives the transmission."

Would someone who knows please clarify whether that^^ means Kodo refused to give Gudo the precepts/"ordain" him as a monk (what, if any was the difference to Kodo?), or whether Kodo refused the "transmission of the dharma" to Gudo?

A lineage depends upon who gives the transmission. It is quite probably that, indeed, Gudo was too young to be accepted as a student, just as Deshimaru was refused and told to get working.
Gudo holds Sawaki to be kind of his "root-teacher".
In Paris he was asked whether he was a Dharma heir of Sawaki and he replied
"No. I'm the Dharma heir of Niwa. It might be more prestigious to say otherwise but it wouldn't be the truth"
(I was doing the translation at the time).
Kodo wouldn't have given Dharma transmission to someone who would not have completed at least three years of study with him as a disciple after ordination, which also rules out Dharma transmission to Deshimaru (as some hold it).

I repeat: Lineage depends on Dharma transmission, not ordination, even though usually they both are given by the same person.
The rule seems to be that, if a teacher deceases without having given DT to a monk he'd ordained, the latter would have to seek another master to complete his formation.

Does that answer your query?

anon @ 6.15 am said...

Thanks PM -

Yes, your reply does clarify the DT/lineage, but...

I'm still a little confused about K's refusal to "ordain" G. Does this mean that G asked to receive the precepts, but that K declined? What would the significance of receiving the precepts have been back then (apart from the content of the vows)? What did "ordination" mean to K and to G? And what would have been the significance of the refusal?

...But it was all a long time ago, and it doesn't really matter :-)

Facts Please said...

^^^Same guy as anon @ 6.15am.

Honest.

Not Chodo Cross said...

A lineage depends upon who gives the transmission. It is quite probably that, indeed, Gudo was too young to be accepted as a student

Most monks are ordained young in Japan, usually when teenagers or in their twenties. Uchiyama Kosho was ordained by Koda right after Uchiyama graduated from university. Kodo lived lived until 1965, when Gudo was 45 years old. He always refused to ordain Gudo.

proulx michel said...

Not Chodo Cross said:

Kodo lived lived until 1965, when Gudo was 45 years old. He always refused to ordain Gudo.

He must have had his reasons. Since he's been dead for more than forty years, wondering why is just a loss of time and useless speculation.

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