Monday, December 15, 2008

NEW SUICIDE GIRLS ARTICLE: YOU CELIBATE I'LL BUY A BIT!

I got a new Suicide Girls article up right now. Go look.

According to the press the Dalai Lama said sex invariably spells trouble. Actually what he said (in part) was, "Sexual pleasure, sexual desire, actually I think is short period satisfaction and often, that leads to more complication. Too much attachment towards your children, towards your partner (is) one of the obstacle or hindrance of peace of mind." He also said celibacy was good. This made the news. So I wrote about that.

See ya!

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

1950s suicide girl Bettie Page dies in LA at 85.

Anonymous said...

Other views on the zen teaching of nonattachment:

http://www.purifymind.com/NonAttach.htm

http://www.hsuyun.org/Dharma/zbohy/Literature/essays/fgs/attachment.html

http://www.csulb.edu/~wweinste/HsinHsinMing.html

Anonymous said...

Thank you again Brad. Clear, clear thinking.

Lauren said...

Rampant celibacy would soon mean the end of Buddhism as we know it.

Sometime I think these "Buddhist Leaders" are so attached to non-attachment anymore, they can't see the world in front of their eyes.

The only good Buddhism (or any other ism for that matter) is the one that can survive, or, indeed, thrive, in the midst of children, sex, and all the other unstoppable churn of this world.

Taking potential points of attachment out of the picture (i.e. isolating in a misty temple) does not mean you've overcome the attachments.

NellaLou said...

I agree Lauren. Ignoring or detaching is not the same as non-attachment. Acknowledgment of that to which one is not attaching is a necessary step. And acknowledgment implies involvement and actually seeing and experiencing things as they are. It is a subtle but important distinction.

Uku said...

Good article. Thank you.

fuyuasha said...

1) Interesting article tnx Brad

2) I agree (I think) w/ Lauren ... like a lot of complicated stuff best answer: Middle Way thru it (of course you have to figure out for yourself what that is - YMMV!).

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

I'm glad the Dalai Lama chooses celibacy.........MORE HOT TIBETAN PUSSY FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Mysterion said...

Blogger Lauren said...
"Rampant celibacy would soon mean the end of Buddhism as we know it."

Your point being?

Nothing is permanent, let it go if it is going... No biggie, really.

Kesamutti Sutta

Mysterion said...

Speaking of detachment,


Keep Me in Your Heart a While: The Haunting Zen of Dainin Katagiri
,
by Dosho Mike Port has just the shadow of attachment in it which is way cool. Zen masters are not perfect, we ducklings must allow them their imperfections as we waddle along behind (which is why I so admire Ikkyu).

Ga-Sho-nuff
Cha-ryu

Anonymous said...

"My head would get so filled up with thoughts of hot pink pussy I'd be a menace to society. "

"MORE HOT TIBETAN PUSSY FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!"

Closet cases?

PhilBob-SquareHead said...

"Closet cases?" - Anonymous

"Women have been my trouble......
since I found out they weren't men." - Waylon Jennings

"Every stupid thang I done in my life can be traced back to women or alcohol, or BOTH" - PhilBob-SquareHead

Anonymous said...

"They won't be so sexually repressed that they attack hotels in Mumbai."

Brad, you appear to be a complete idiot.

Anonymous said...

brutal. honesty.

no posturing or posing, just

pure unadulterated, crass , rude, honesty.

while i didnt agree with everything, i understand your point.

bravo.

Mumon said...

The bit with the monk who was asleep: that was the guy who was eventually reborn as Rob Schneider.

Sebastian said...

Lauren, we could adopt for a few decades and be ok. The Catholics pop more pups out than they can handle.

But I'll agree also with the pointing the finger from a top a mountain point.

Rich said...

" I would only say that I've found that what's truly most important to most people is to live as stable a life as possible. If you understand that you want that, then sex has to be handled carefully. It pushes a whole lot of buttons,"

I would add that if two people are truly free and make a committment to have sex and and accept all the responsibilities that follow, then this free committment is more natural than the repression and ignorance of sexual energy.

As far as the mentioned attachments to children and spouses/partners - this attachment is a great opportunity for helping them and seeing into the nature of attachment itself. So if the Dalai Lama is happy with his situation that's wonderful but I don't believe sexual abstinance is required for peace and happiness.

Jinzang said...

Rampant celibacy would soon mean the end of Buddhism as we know it.

You mean, like the Shakers? Doesn't seem to have been a problem in Asia.

Taking potential points of attachment out of the picture (i.e. isolating in a misty temple) does not mean you've overcome the attachments.

Just as sitting is creating a quiet space in our life so we can better perceive who we are, a temple is creating a quiet spot in the world so that we can better perceive things. Putting away the Blackberry, the television, and the Ipod is a good thing, even if it doesn't immediately lead to freedom from attachment.

Nikki said...

Seems to me that one can have a sexual relationship, be married, have kids etc without attachment, if one defines "attachment" correctly as grasping or clinging to that which is destined to change and die. I accept the transience of my loved ones, including my children. When relatives die, I don't get upset, I don't ask why, I simply let go.

As for sex as an impediment to enlightenment - maybe it's just me, but I find that sex can be a very simple and powerful lesson in non-self. In that moment of orgasm, the self is temporarily obliterated. Sex, in my experience, teaches surrender of ego, as does the experience of giving birth, when you must give up all illusions of control and allow the primal force of life to simply move through you and use you as a vessel.

anonyposter said...

i hock a giant lugie in your general direction!

... said...

pronounced "loo-gi" as in giant

leoboiko said...

Short answer about "then what the heck is polyamory anyway": it's all about love, not (strictly) sex. Thus the use of the word "amour" (love). Pure promiscuity would be called "swinging" or "open marriage" etc.

We polyamorists know full well that you get emotionally involved with people you fuck; we just choose to get involved with, and to allow and celebrate our partners to get involved with, more than one person at the same time.

Mumon said...

I know it's off topic, but do hit the URL "http://www.kzci.org "

That used to be the URL of a Zen center. It used to be there. Look! It's not there anymore; it's some Big Mind thing. (Yeah, yeah, yeah, it still calls itself "Zen.")

Also look here.

Is Merzel channeling Robert Tilton or what???

Rich said...

"it's all about love, not (strictly) sex. "
"We polyamorists know full well that you get emotionally involved with people you fuck; we just choose to get involved with, and to allow and celebrate our partners to get involved with, more than one person at the same time."

Do you have any fucking rules? If one of your partners has many lovers is this a problem as far as jealousy or health issues? How do you separate the love emotion from the material world? When I was in the arab world, I thought it was real cool that the rich guys had multiple wives, but that was well organized. This polyamori seems like love gone wild -)

leoboiko said...

Rich: that's up to the individual cases. For some people jealousy will be a big issue, for others not so much. The polyamory ethos only rejects doing stuff hidden —people will set the rules of the game clearly before playing.

For a concrete example, my wife somehow feels bad about seeing me with other women, but not with men; so I'll not cuddle a girlfriend in front of her, but will do a boy. On my side I don't feel jealous at all, so she has carte blanche.

Doko said...

Brad,

"Just to be nitpicky..."

I am a regular reader of both of your blogs as well as a fan of your first two books. I look forward to Zen/Chocolate (and love the new cover art).

In all the time I have been reading your blogs, you have never really written anything that made me jump on the keyboard to respond, until now. In one of your responses to your most recent suicide girls article you wrote:

"But just to be nitpicky, Buddhism generally doesn't involve mantras. Actually, I don't know if Tibetan Buddhism uses them. They might. But other forms of Buddhism don't usually use mantras except as passing references. For example, in Zen, the Heart Sutra closes with a mantra. But most Zen Buddhists ignore the mantra part."

You have written three books about Buddhism and you don't know if Tibetans use mantras?! You've been to Zen centers all over America and yet you claim that "most zen Buddhists ignore the mantra part.' That mantra is the pith of the whole tradition and I have yet to visit a center which ignores it.

Do you not think that it is important for a teacher of Buddhism to be well versed in the entire tradition and not pigeon-hole himself so narrowly?

In the past you have come off as arrogant, funny, a bit childish, very talented and very human. Until this post, you have never come off as dumb.

Remember that Dogen went to China to broaden his practice by exposing himself to another culture's ways of doing things. Do you not think this is a valuable example to follow?

Doko

Anonymous said...

"Do you not think that it is important for a teacher of Buddhism to be well versed in the entire tradition and not pigeon-hole himself so narrowly?"

Doko, the quick answer is...NO.
Brad thinks his tradition / sect / teacher is the bestest and sees no reason to study others. Very narrow. His insight is ok as far as it goes (& I share your own positive opinion of Brad's books and much of what he writes here) but it doesn't go very far.

Ned said...

I was just reading some Bodhidharma relating to this precept. He said:

Once you see your nature, sex is basically immaterial. It ends along with your delight in it. Even if some habits remain’, they can’t harm you, because your nature is essentially pure. Despite dwelling in a material body of four elements, your nature is basically pure. It can’t be corrupted.

Mumon said...

Doko:

Lighten up a bit; you'd be surprised what experts don't know when you go just this much -> <- outside their area of expertise.

One day I woke up to find I was an "expert;" it takes less than one might imagine.

That said that bit at the end of the Heart Sutra is a mantra of a sort, though not in the Shingon or Tibetan sense, and I'm not an expert in those traditions, either.

And within my tradition, I'm really quite ignorant, and am not by any means an expert, and the point of all of this ain't Trivial Pursuit anyway.

Anonymous said...

"and the point of all of this ain't Trivial Pursuit anyway."

No. But nearly all of the classic chan masters were well versed in the buddhist sutras and many even taught other forms of buddhism depending upon the mindset of their students. Zen isn't about intellectualism, but neither is it about being ignorant and narrow-minded.

Doko said...

Hi Mumon,

I couldn't be lighter!

I was just wondering how fast my own shikantaza practice would dry up if I wasn't also suplimenting it with the study of sutras and histories. (And not just within the varied Buddhist traditions, but outside as well).

I even noticed that you have been mentioning Hakuin on your own blog. That's all I'm talking about, a little broadening of the horizon beyond the good old Shobogenzo.

I too think "expert" is about this close to being a dirty word. However, there is a difference between "beginners mind" (good) and "the mind of the average undergraduate at the beginning of an intro to Buddhism course" (not so good).

I bet Brad could tell you us sorts of fun facts about Godzilla AND Ultraman or about Frank Zappa AND Gene Simmons. But shikantaza AND vipassana, or Dogen AND Shantideva?

It's because I am so fascinated by what Brad does bring to the table, that I get a little disappointed when he doesn't bring his A game.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"They won't be so sexually repressed that they attack hotels in Mumbai."

Brad, you appear to be a complete idiot.


I must say, I don't get Brad's comment on Mumbai as well. Perhaps a brain fart (happens....) ?! Or can someone jump in and connect the dots for me in that otherwise good article?

NellaLou said...

Iconoclasm may sell a few books and appear to be the "punk" thing but ignorance is ignorance.

"But just to be nitpicky, Buddhism generally doesn't involve mantras."

Many sects of Buddhism use mantras. Pure Land, Nichiren and any that retain some of the flavor of bhakti(devotional Buddhism) and particularly in all schools of Tibetan Buddhism.

Om Mani Padme Hum

Clothing Optional said...

I think the cover of "Hardcore Zen" mentions something like, (paraphrasing) "Zen for people who don't give a rat's ass about zen"

Enough said.

If I wanted a scholarly education on buddhism, I'd read Jinzang's blog. But I could fucking care less about the buddha or the dalai lama or the monks killed in Tibet.

If I wanna fuck, I fuck.
If I don't wanna fuck, I don't fuck.

Simple.

Anonymous said...

(Paraphrasing)
"Zen for Shitheads"

NellaLou said...

On the Suicide Girls website Brad Warner "is some kind of Buddhist teacher or some such nonsense"

If the guy claims to be a teacher (who else wrote that but him?) maybe he should know something about the subject matter.

Anya said...

Brad is a supposed Buddhist teacher that brags about not knowing basic facts about Buddhism. What else did anyone expect? And is he seriously stupid enough to think that sexual repression is why the Mumbai attacks happened? That anybody gives credence to this man reflects really sadly on the state of western Buddhism.
anya_baranova@hotmail.com

Anonymous said...

"But I could fucking care less about the buddha or the dalai lama or the monks killed in Tibet."

Good point. What the hell do buddhist monks, the dalai lama or that Siddhartha buddha dude have to do with buddhism anyway?

Monster movies, comics, naked chicks and the punk scene...now that's real buddhism!

Anonymous said...

it's that word 'misuse'
If sex could just be sex
shikantaza is 'just sitting'
if only there was a term for 'just sex' and a practice of 'just sex' to follow
but sex is not 'just sex'
I don't know that it can ever be 'just sex' hence 'don't misuse sex'

It always makes me sad--that sex can't just be sex
I'd love to 'take the backward step' and find a way to explore sex prior to conceptualization
But I don't think this is possible
Sex--the layers and layers that cover you
we will never know your nakedness no matter how many
clothes we take off
Such a shame

Rich said...

"For a concrete example, my wife somehow feels bad about seeing me with other women, but not with men; so I'll not cuddle a girlfriend in front of her, but will do a boy. On my side I don't feel jealous at all, so she has carte blanche."

That's very considerate of you. It always comes down to understanding and accepting the consequences (karma) of your actions.

The great thing about Buddhism is you can practice it no matter what your ideas and opinions are about it or the teachers.

Mumon said...

Doko:

"Even monkeys fall from trees," as they say. Probably even Brad says it.

Hakuin's in my (Rinzai) tradition, and I've barely scratched the surface.

Lin Chi, too.

But I would entreat folks to heed the description of zen by Thomas Merton: it is to religion as tennis is to mathematics.

If any person has a good enough game that they can derive benefits in real life, including the continued cultivation of skill for promoting and practicing good,loving-kindness, generosity, compassion and wisdom, that person's worth attention, even if they can't find their socks.

Mumon said...

If any person has a good enough game that they can derive benefits in real life, including the continued cultivation of skill for promoting and practicing good,loving-kindness, generosity, compassion and wisdom, that person's worth attention, ...

And even if they've got a lousy game in this regard they still merit our attention, actually...

X said...

"They won't be so sexually repressed that they attack hotels in Mumbai."

Great point,those guys probably haven't had a good fuck in a while.

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