Thursday, August 28, 2008

ZAZEN INSTRUCTIONS with LIZA ROSE


I just added a link over there to your left to a page I put together of instructions on how to do zazen. The model is LizaRose from Suicide Girls. The photographer was Svetlana Dekic. She took the photo of me on the back cover of Sit Down And Shut Up as well as the one that will appear on Zen Wrapped In Karma Dipped In Chocolate. She's at Burning Man now, rockin' out no doubt. The pictures were shot at the Hill Street Center where we hold our weekly zazen things, in case you ever wondered what the place looked like. I can't take a whole lot of credit for how nice the pictures turned out. I wasn't even really aware what Svetlana was shooting. I was just off to one side telling LizaRose where to put her feet and stuff. She's a Yoga teacher and had done some Zen practice before so it was pretty easy. The idea for the shoot was mine. There are a million how-to-do-zazen things all over the web. And they're nice. But I thought I could use my Suicide Girls connections to put together something a bit more interesting. This is by far the best looking of all the zazen instruction pages I've ever seen! Again, no kudos to me on that. LizaRose and Svetlana are the real geniuses. Enjoy.

Yesterday I saw the movie The Wrecking Crew. It's a documentary about the studio musicians who played on a ton of big hit rock songs from the Sixties including most of Phil Spector's sessions, most of the Beach Boys stuff like Pet Sounds, the Mamas and Papas sessions and a crap load more. It's a great film. See it if you have a chance. It's about time someone recognized these guys' (and gals, don't forget the great Carole Kaye, bassist extraordinaire) contributions.

Also, my friends and regular zazen-sitters at the Hill Street Center Saturday things, Deep Six Holiday, are playing a show in Los Angeles tonight, Thursday, August 28th at Molly Malone's (575 S. Fairfax Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90036) from 10 PM, the cover charge is a mere $6. You can also find them on MySpace.

Not to belabor the point on the precepts. But there's two really key things I want to say. The first is that the precepts are only to be used as a guide to gauge our own behavior — not the behavior of others. I said this before but I cannot stress it enough.

When the precepts are used to judge the behavior of others we're back into the same sick game every religion plays where we are the morally righteous and the unbelievers should change their ways. Buddhists must never be like that.

The other thing is that the point of the precepts is always to do whatever makes the situation at hand better. If I were going to add an eleventh precept it would be just that. And then my precepts would go to eleven! But I'm not gonna add one. I think it goes without saying. Or it should. The precepts we've been given by those ancient precept writer people are just examples of things that are almost always the right way to go. But sometimes they're not.

The best example I can think of along those lines is that of my first Zen teacher. He's now a part-time euthanasia technician for the State of Ohio. One night, at about 3 AM, he got a call. Someone had run into a large dog on a lonely stretch of country road. The dog was severely injured and would not recover. But it was still alive and in terrible agony.

My teacher went out to the scene and saw that the dog's body had been nearly torn in half. In spite of this, it was still very much alive and howling in pain. My teacher got out his kit and give the dog an injection of strong narcotics, something he always does to ease animals into the process. As the drugs took effect, the dog licked his hand then quietly passed away.

Had my teacher obeyed the precepts in their literal sense — by not intoxicating the dog or killing it — it would only have extended and deepened the animal's suffering. Here he disobeyed them and made the situation better.

This is only one example. Our lives are full of such instances, some far less clear cut. Intuition is important and this can be developed through zazen practice.

So go look at that instructions page and then do some!

ADDENDUM

Since a few people have asked, the hand position in the kinhin photos is the one favored by Kodo Sawaki. I learned this position from my teacher Gudo Nishijima, who was Sawaki's student. I've since noticed a few other Zen practitioners doing it this way. It sort of serves as a little secret acknowledgment of Sawaki's influence. The more standard way practiced at Eiheiji, SF Zen Center and many other places has the hands positioned such that the left hand fingers' are against the chest. Go look on the Internet and I'm sure you'll find a photo.

I don't know if the position I've shown was invented by Sawaki or if it came from somewhere he practiced. I've heard somewhere that the style Sawaki did is favored by one part of the Soto line in Japan (Sojiji maybe). But I don't know. It's not Rinzai as far as I know. I'm not sure how they do it. They jog around for kinhin. It's wild!

Kinhin itself is a bit of a mystery. In the past the word kinhin referred to a number of different things Zen monks did between periods of Zazen. It's only more recently that walking around the zendo has become the standard form of kinhin. The details are in a book called Zen Ritual. I don't own a copy, so I can't refer to it. I was reading it last time I was at the Milwaukee Zen Center.

In any case, either position will do. Minor variations like this don't make a huge difference. It's important, though, that everyone in the zendo be doing pretty much the same thing. A couple times I've had people ask me if they can hold their hands the way Yoga meditators do during zazen. They sorta rest their hands, palms up, on their knees and make an "OK" symbol with the thumb and forefinger. I usually say I'd prefer they don't. To me that's too much of a variation. The kinhin thing seems far more minor and less liable to call attention to the one doing it.

121 comments:

Mysterion said...

"the dog licked his hand then quietly passed away"

a final act of appreciation for an act of compassion

That's experience...

michael bardan said...

yah well okay then i'm only happy to entertain phillysquarebob by pulling my pant:z just like everybody else, 1 leg at a time, but once on, i shall churn out gold records, i swear.

where was the suicide girl crowd when i was there, man, locked up in your closet?

you sent your smoggy robs to slug me and took the curly girl:z with you on the east coast? man, if i were you i swear, i'd switch to osho and start asking people to put lolex and rolls:z in your dana box.

heya, justin dope, i'm glad you're one to teach me how to hold down a job, you assumption driven bastard, go to your lousy wedding and show us you've gots important work to do, while the rest of us here are just wasting breath.

yo, also, thx for holding a candle to my fartin' ass and trying to translate what i say for all, you presumptive asshole, because no one out there can understand for themselves what i be saying unless they have your light to shine up their asses too.

i look forward to your tackling the other dadaist post preceding the one you translated what needed no translation.

you wanna know why i dada, buddy? it is because the supreme court ruled as follows: if you are over 25 and still blogging, you are so pathetically lost that we won't admit your bullshit as evidence in a court of law.

lissnup rah-rah chuhuahua mu-dog, come down to hill street and i'll get down there just for you, so i can prostrate once at your feet and then you hopefully won't have any further "constructive" boolshyat questions for me.

michael bardan said...

i forgot to mention, the suicide girl in your picture, tell her to put one of those small beanie bag toys under her mudra or else she won't make it through a 30 min period before her shoulders will shoot up the star:z!-)

The Aristocrats said...

It's really difficult to get away from seeing things as "I'm right, you're wrong." It even appears sometimes in a discussion of "no self," i.e., we who are not separate understand this better than you. Anyway, maybe it's the hardest part of ego to let go of.

andro said...

Very titillating Brad. Thank you and LizaRose.

Michael Bardan, Is putting a small beanie bag toy under your mudra acceptable in mixed company?

Al Coleman said...

Brad,

This is awesome as is Liz Rose!

At The Moment said...

the kinhin photos...isn't that rinzai?

JB said...

thanks for this man. i have been quietly hoping you would do a page like this how to do zazen. it is really helpful.

babbles said...

Very nice pictorial guide by your lovely assistant.

It seems unfortunate that so many people do use the precepts as a sort of guideline to judge other people. I enjoy the occasional alcoholic beverage, I sure as shit enjoy caffeine, being from Texas I like a good steak now and then, and I work in an industry that involves the sacrifice of animals. If I was to be judged against the precepts then I surely would be burning in some sort of Buddhist hell.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry about it! The judgement of others will not send you to hell. Only your conscience can do that.

Anonymous said...

This vid would be more popular if she demonstrated the postures nekkid.

Anonymous said...

This vid would be more popular if she demonstrated the postures nekkid.

randy said...

"This vid would be more popular if she demonstrated the postures nekkid."

I have to agree with anon here. I assume LizaRose poses nude on suicidegirls. So why didn't you ask her to do these poses in the nude? Smoggyrob could have been the model but you obviously wanted a hot chick to do them. It's all about the hot chick and the zazen poses are just an excuse to show off your girls, right? So why not go all the way and make everyone happy?

Anonymous said...

if he did that he wouldn't have to beg 5 bucks from randy Saturday morning hillbilly sitters...

Elizabeth Rose said...

Gassho, Randy!

I only pose nude on the internet for cash. Brad is a lovely but regrettably penniless monk, so that idea went right out the proverbial window.

Interestingly, our comment amounts to a far more pointed criticism of your own attitudes than of Brad's choice to try and offer his audience something other than the old-guy-in-robes-sitting-piously pictorial norm. Just food for thought during your next practice. You know, self-study and all that stuff...

If you'd like to see me naked, you can absolutely do so at suicidegirls.com with the rest of the darling pervs there. We'd love to have you.

In the meantime, if you' have any questions about sitting Zazen, I happen to have made a fun instructional webpage with my friend Brad to demonstrate how to do it. Enjoy!

Peace to you,
Elizabeth Rose

Lone Wolf said...

I think I'm in love. I'd have a HARD time thinking the state of non-thinking with Elizabeth sitting next to me.

Thanks for the Zazen instructions.

Anonymous said...

you guys are funny! and micheal bardan likes to type alot!

3mpty said...

For how long should I do kinhin? Brad.

I'm physically ok by the moment, so 30 or 40 minutes?

Mike H said...

lone wolf:

In zazen if things arise we let them.

BSF It's nice to see a How-To that is not some short dude in robes.

Lisa makes Zazen look cool and normal.

OBTW, Lisa I love the Tat but I'm not gonna pay to see if you have any more ;-)

Mike H said...

OBTW2 "z" not "s". Shame on me for not paying attention.

Anonymous said...

Hi,

I wanted to post this under Brad's recent post about that cult in Wales (I think it was Brad's website, but maybe not). Anyway, I couldn't find the old post, so I'll just post here - at least it'll get read more.

I read the following on a video games website message board (gasp) and thought it funny (you know, like how Brad talks about spiritual paths being anything but)...

Man A: Anyone else out there on a similar journey of spiritual enlightenment?

Man B: Is that what wanking is?

Man A: Only if you're doing it right...

They were talking about moving house when you own so much stuff (100s of old cartride based video games) and Man A wanted to get all his possesions digitally now to take up minimal space.

Anyway, I thought it was funny.

BTW, I love video games and I am a Buddhist. There, said it.

Guess I'll see you in hell though.

Ok, Bye.

James, From Devon in England.

P.S.

I saw some hilarious shit on another video games website recently. About Obama not liking video games or something. Was a hate message from a Christian saying something like "Did Jesus say it was good to play video games? No. So don't do it!"
Oh, the ignorance. How can people have such a weak argument? Lame.

Anyway, sorry to bore all you Boodists about video games. Ha!

Bye!

Smoggyrob said...

Hi there 3mpty:

We usually do ten minutes of kinhin in between each thirty minutes of zazen.

Rob

Al Coleman said...

Liz,

You rock! Honestly, I didn't even know you were a SG girl. I knew you're face from the Youtube vids you did for back pain(which have helped a lot. Thanks!)

Al

randy said...

Hi Elizabeth Rose,

I was just pulling Brad's Leg..
You Are a Beautiful woman and my base Desires might have clouded my judgment. It would not have been the first time.

But just out of Curiosity, How much money would we have to collect to get these shots done Au Natural? I'm sure we could collect it.

Michael Bardan for one is Filthy rich.

I hope you make lots of Moola from SG. Peace to you too.

michael bardan said...

& imagine if you will I do it all with ONE finger in an iPhone, coz I don't own a computer, Im that poor, but I am a hardcore gamer only on C=64 and maybe arcade pacman.

I hope Justin isn't having a hangover after that wedding, who the hell has a wedding Thursday or is it weekend in Australia?

My Ikyu is 58, don't bother.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Brad, very good. Interesting to see the 'Saturday place'.

People usually get a good chuckle out of the fact that I actually blew my knee out meditating - I mean, how do you do that! Trying to do the full-lotus, that's how.

I've been thinking that the very fact that I'm asthmatic since birth has actually helped me concentrate on my breathing. Heck, when you gasping for air, you're sure as hell thinking about it!

I remember taking classes to actually learn how to breath from my abdomen. We'd all lie around on mats in this big room. Us wheezers grow up breathing from the chest, so the whole thing proved to be pretty beneficial ever since.

Cheers

Anonymous said...

sure she's a cutie, but don't miss that she's a yogini! clothing or no - respect to consciousness !! (bow)

michael bardan said...

oooppx crossed the sychronized bank disclosure randy did on me or I wouldn't have used the poor choice of word...

check this out, the guys on this blog KNEW before I did that I would get my ass suspended at work while they're investigating my usage of profanity in an effort to get through to their drugged up kids who drop out of this goddam society like flies lately while nobody does anything about them except medicate them into psychiatric oblivion.

Then they KNEW about my xwife, about my car having been taken by the Wise Homeland Border Patrol one time for 90 days because I gave a 14 year old who was hiking with an almost empty milk gallon filled with dirty water in the middle of the Yuma desert a lift and LO he didn't have papers when we got to the Sandy Eggo "agricultural" checkpoint, so evidently I was aiding and abetting a Dangerous Alien to come into US, because he wasn't already there or whatever.

Then they proceed to call my current wife a chink knowing Im like SmoggyRob in that department and would fuck some serious shit up if anyone tried something funny, then they patiently collect the "verbal" evidence against me and forward it to HR@SDSU where I've patiently been humiliated in the past 7 years I worked there on other occasions as well and now that I am being investigated for all this " wrong doing" my only question to you who patiently put this together is this:

how's the Schadenfreude practice working for you lately?

Anonymous said...

Many bows to your teacher Tim and to all the animal techs and veterinarians out there.

My wonderful old cat was ill for the last 2 months of her life and it took a long time before it was clear that 1) she was not getting better and 2) she lost ablity to get into and out of her litter box.

The vet had known the two of us for 14 years. And as the tranquillizer took effect, my cat lifted her tired head, then did something I had not seen her do in a long while. She sat up then settled into a poised posture she'd always used when balanced and content. It was probably the first time in two months that she felt good.

When I told the vet, in tears, that I hoped she didnt have to do this very often, that wonderful lady paused and replied, 'Every other day, and sometimes every day.'

If you want to see Bodhisattva behavior go follow an animal tech like Tim or a veterinarian or vet assistant. All in one day they go from meeting and greeting you and your new kitten or puppy, giving the wee one a well-baby exam, to that same day, having to assist a human and animal in saying goodbye to each other.

michael bardan said...

my only true teacher in this world was my cat. he had diagnosed FIV since age 1 and died at 14 only after my xwife assumed he was her cat and took him away from the love he was getting before the white coats took it all away and made it look like mikey was ravaged by an imaginary disease.

the disease was imaginary alright as I found out years later with the help of serious zazen, but my divorce at the hands of their "healing" attempts was to send me well beyond hell.

but hey, good news, I'm baaaaaaaack and you can read that however your inner voice intones it, cartoonish or hasta la vista govern8or 2oo9 salvation like...

in terms of euthanizing cats, if you KNOW your cat abhorrs vets (which mine was very clear did and looked like more willing to fight a saint Bernard than take a trip there), for the love of all egyptian cat gods, I beg you to call the mobile pet death squad.

If I was able to control the impulse to kill my xwife in 2oo5 on the spot for killing my cat and teacher the way she "compassionately" did, while drugged out of my mind on unspeakable psychotropics designed speciffically to remove any ability to restrain yourself (sorry for digressing and saying straight up after experiencing most of those drugs that school shootings aren't a result of disease as portrayed in the media at large sponsored by dirty, criminal big pharma dollars, but rather a side effect of psychotropic medication straight out of hell) then whoever is fucking around with me at this rebuilt stage of my Game is likely to be disappointed when the only reaction they might get out of me is a rant on a lousy blog and maybe a look of you have NO IDEA how self-fucked you'll be around the corner one of this days.

but hey, it's all good, fret not, in the end everything will be ok and if it's not ok, well then it's not the fat lady singing yet.

qbitty said...

i'm still hisgoddam teacher, asshole as he is, of cat makeup cannot be denied.

transsapient transmission via Cygnus-X1 uplink said...

troodat.

not that comma this said...

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Anonymous said...

translation

Lauren said...

For half lotus, the model shows right foot pressed into left thigh instead of left foot pressed into right thigh (per the text).

Really?... hands hovering in mid air light a giant navel flashlight? I thought they should rest "in the bowl of the feet" more down near the "one point" (JP - iten)

I thought kinhin was a progression of half steps (heel is placed in line with other-foots arch), not full steps (heel is placed 4+ inches in front of the big toe).

It may be "Easy Peasy" but it looks a little "Loosey Goosey."

Sweatin' it cause sometimes it does matter....
-Lauren

Elizabeth Rose said...

Al-- I am glad the youtube vids helped you out! That's awesome!-- Let me know if you have any questions.

Randy-- I won't discuss my rates in an open forum (bad form), but if you really are serious, you can contact me privately. I know you were just bein' flip; but I wanted to let you know that I am here, and reading the comments.

lauren--I've heard all those variations, too. Maybe Brad will respond to your questions. I just did as I was told here.

Gassho.

Lone Wolf said...

Thanks for the helpful instruction Mike H lol.

Anonymous said...

you guys love to measure everything dontcha? quarter lotus posing as half lotus offense. bad 3/8ths of an inch offkinhin offense. you can't sit worth a shit but you can be "constructively" criticizing. wonderfool!

Jinzang said...

Nice photo set. I've never done the "bow to your cushion" thing. And usually I sit in lotus and put my hands palm down on my knees. Funny how Tibetan Buddhists are criticized for having too much ritual (and we do have lots), but we don't do the bow to your teacher, bow to your cushion, wear robes, hold your hands in a funny position stuff. At least I don't.

Anonymous said...

jinzy, you a vipassana dude? in zen we bow to the teaching. not the goddam cushion, not the goddam nobody in front of you, not the goddam one of the countless buddha asses that might be sitted on a park bench next to you and say an out of the blue kind word when you most needed.

why are you here? to prove like braddy-chan that your method is superior because you practice it?

Moon Face Buddha said...

It is so darn easy to get sucked in to using personal morality as a stick to beat other people.

I choose not to eat meat...but if you want to chow down on a steak then i'm not gonna try and stop you.

I choose not to drink alcohol or take drugs...but i'm not gonna stop you getting stoned.

All one should hope for is that other people extend the same courtesy. Don't try and force a drink on me, don't make stupid comments about veggies.

Like and let live :)

Osama Van Halen said...

You bow towards the cushion.
You bow away from the cushion.
You bow towards the cushion
and you shake it all about.
You do the hokey pokey
and you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.

Yudo said...

Hmmm. Fingers a bit lifted up though. "The thumbs ought to neither lift into mountains nor sink into valleys"...

I was thinking about the 1st precept, the other day, while seing a reportage about fishers who fished tuna much too small.
Actually, for a fisherman, I'd think that the precept of "not killing" applies much more to the resource (which they are utterly destroying) that to the individual fish. But so much for my five cents.

Mtroll said...

"Really?... hands hovering in mid air light a giant navel flashlight? I thought they should rest "in the bowl of the feet"

I was wondering about this too. I've never seen or heard of anyone doing zazen with the arms held so that the hands simply 'float' in the air above the legs. I thought Brad was a stickler for correct posture. Afterall, zazen is not a 'whatever works for you' posture. Where I trained, if the posture didn't allow the hands to rest on the heels, a small husk cushion was placed on the heels and the back of the hands placed on that.

Something I've discovered over the years is that my own zazen seems better in brighter light than is usually recommended. I like sitting outside in the mornings. A darkened room usually tends to make me prone to dullness. Like Jinzang, I sometimes sit with my palms on my knees. This seems more stable than the traditional mudra.

Lone Wolf said...

"Intuition is important and this can be developed through zazen practice."

Can you write more about this"intuition" developed during Zazen.

To me, it seems as if Zazen balances the automic nervous system which allows one to live in action rather than either their thoughts or sense perceptions. The lack of disruption of thinking and sense perception allows one to experience the whole universe free of self (reality), hence the intuition to know how to act correctly according to what needs to be done.

It's as if we humans are drunk with thoughts and sense perceptions and we keep running around making a mess of our life and everyone else's life.

Wolf said...

I'm getting seriously troubled here... Seems like my actual opinion about intuition didn't really come across the way it was intended last time.

I mean I know that intuition is the cornerstone of Buddhist ethics (or to express it simply: When in doubt trust your gut!). Generally it is right. But it needs really really much practice to first off recognize what it is that your gut is trying to tell you (okay, that's easy enough most of the time...) and much more importantly act upon it (which is where failiure generally lurks). At that point thoughts can do some serious mischief and a clear mind is required.

I just would like to rehabilitate thought a little bit. It's just one of your six senses in the Buddhist view, so don't make them evil by itself! In a way one might say that the precepts are "thought medicine" for your weaker, less clear moments. As far as I see it thoughts have their place for the really difficult problems. Like that crossword puzzle, math homework or novel you want to complete. Intution fails there. Thought excels.

Thanks by the way for the instructional pictures, I also share the view that I would have to rest my hands somewhere in that half lotos, or else my shoulders would probably not be amused after half an hour of sitting.

JB said...

this is the problem with zen in the west (perhaps the east..?), and how we fuck it up. perfect series of examples. ruthless intellectualism, mixed with macho bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Jundo says,

FInally, as to the pictures of "how to Zazen" ... the woman in the picture is holding her hands much too high.

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Unusual. She will tire her arms and shoulders for no purpose. As these Kodo Sawaki pictures show, the hands best rest on the upper lap directly (traditionally called the "Tanden"), or on a small cushion or towel that rests on the lap.

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Gassho, Jundo

Anonymous said...

there is no failure in acting, only in the thinking re: what is already set in stone.

only stop your measuring against conditioned outcomes and there will be no more doubts, thus an opening to always act intuitively.

go with your gut and never look back, ie don't sit there analyzing your action. simply live through what your thinking mind tells you are consequences of your actions.

there is acting and leave it at that. what follows after is bullshit fed to you by your conditioned (split)-mind that always wants to explain stuff, understand in terms of linearity (as it can only hold 1 thought at a time)... but all that is a waste of time and only functions as an engine for suffering, sooner or later.

cox sox but they gave me free cable along with 14.99 Internet, so I must now waste my time more constructively than this, scifi channel here I hop.

Elizabeth Rose said...

Alright, since everyone seems to be so concerned about my hands, I'll share a bit of trivia about me:

My hands are not floating in midair in front of my navel. You can't much tell from the pics, but when I sit Zazen, my forearms rest lightly on my hipbones, which happen to jut out a little from my body. I place the mudra over my second chakra, about two inches below my navel. Brad did not seem to mind that I do this, and did not correct my posture.

My shoulders do not get tense or tired when I sit.

Hope that clarifies a bit.

Peace,
-Elizabeth

Anonymous said...

nobody is saying thinking is bad.

what is bad is identifying with your thoughts.

also bad is thinking bullshit while doing simple shit, coz sooner or later lack of mindfullness will get you in huge trouble, especially on the freeway.

oops, mindfoolness is banned by braddy-chan who on 1 hand does kinhin strictly to revive circulation in numbed up limbs (which btw happens only because of lack of minsfullness during zazen) but on the other hand frowns at rinzai fast kinhin because how on fukksface planet can they stretch their legs if they walk briskly? only snail pace can revive circulation.

braddy-chan needs a link to the left with idiocies he has uttered along the way, he'll be more famous than bill gates and we only need 64K of RAM EVAR!

soto bullshit from nishijima is all one will EVAR need and that one goddam book shoboshitzo or whatevah has all the secret handshakes and ever invented mudra:z!

Anonymous said...

ok lizzie, hope your bones aren't protruding due to anorexic inclinations - other than that keep doing whatchu be doing as long as you can sit without tensing up.

as an aside, chakra bullshit can keep you entertained for aeon:z - there's a good reason bodhidharma kicked Kung Foo and left Hindu mythology in the dust.

I'm not saying chakra shit isn't worth doing, but I am saying if you pick (za)zen as your method, leave them chakras back with the Santa Claus conceptual crappola.

new age bullshit is phenomenally entertaining too, but that too should only be done if you're one of those retards who thinks buddhanature can be found in an E pill. or is it technically abbr to X?

g'nitey-knight!

the two tastes that taste great together said...

You've got buddha nature in my chakras!
You've got chakras in my buddha nature!

Smoggyrob said...

Hi everyone:

Elizabeth, thanks for engaging us here. I've found your comments helpful, and remarkably calm. And as a reminder to everyone, we're sitting at HSC this morning (30 Aug). Sorry, almost all of us are not SGs. 8^( Please feel free to come sit with us anyway.

Rob

George W. said...

For me there's no failure in thinking, acting..whatever. There's no "bad" way to do anything.

I just sit Zazen....live my life....pay attention...feel mad..feel sad..think...curse...eat different stuff...have fun with stuff....

I don't want or need it to be complicated...

Rich said...

Intuition and thinking cannot be explained with words. practicing is is the action to do. attaining no form, no words, no thinking, no perception, no impulses, no cognition, no attainment, is the point where everything is no problem. You do what needs to be done, you think what needs to be thunk, you might call that intuition.

George W
If you make I, it gets more complcated. You and Sadaam were more alike than different. You may have been great friends in the end.

Lauren said...

Ms. Rose,

Thanks for the clarification. Jutting hipbones... oh how I used to dream of having jutting hipbones. Now I'm lucky if I can just keep my belly from becoming a convenient mudra-cushion.

My one not-so-funny Buddha story from many biz trips to Japan....

My Japanese colleagues and I had finished a nice meal and I, with great satisfaction, thinking I was alluding to Hotei (the big bellied guy often holding a sack, or hands up in the air, that many people assume is Buddha) patted my belly proclaiming "Budda belly". My colleagues reluctantly agreed, but didn't seem pleased to do so.

Much later I realized that "Buddha" is not "Budda" in Japanese. "Butsu" would have been the correct translation. What I had said ("Budda") sounded, to their ears, closer to "buta" which is Japanese for "pig."

Oh well....

Deviak said...

I'm supposed to bow to my cushion before I sit? I was wondering why my goddamn enlightenment hasn't kicked in yet
Thanks for the tip, Bradley-san

Anonymous said...

"I don't want or need it to be complicated..."

this is your hook, bro, because evidently you can only be cruising at altitude while the altitude is on the freeway.

when shit gets complicated, you'll beg for mercy.

michael bardan said...

that about buddhanature = chakra:z and vice versa is valid ONCE YOU'RE THERE.

i'm sick and tired of you idiots trying to equate zen practice with either you gots it or you don't.

one minute you talk kindergarten practice level and then you throw in the ultimate understanding in there, like you know, well like you goddam soto idiots, because in telling folks they already are buddhas, they sit there like morons (really, by that i mean they DO NOT SIT AT ALL) thinking there's nothing to do.

well, it is true, there is nothing to do, BUT FUCKING REALIZE THAT FIRST, before you go around being a shithead lazy assed ultimate loser trying to quote scripture to me.

you gots to understand that you can't wobble around with 80713284712 methods when you don't even sit fucking 15 minutes every day.

if you do 7 days sesshins regularly then yeah, by all means, go spend time focusing on your throat chakra or expand your heart chakra into metta universal love, whatever the fuck you wanna play with, there's plenty of opportunity to play with, but if you're lizzie yoga master here, pick your goddam zazen method AND STICK WITH VERY SIMPLE INSTRUCTION like your life depended on it.

it's like this, man, say someone puts a gun to your head, CAN YOU DO YOUR PRACTICE THEN if your instructions say you gotta bow in 8 directions, you gotta wobble in and out, you gotta get some poise into your hara, you gotta raise a kundalini snake beyond your belly button, count to 10 and then down to 1, breathe out and extend that once, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

drop the goddam shoboshitzo book, drop the goddam instruction page that runs 15 paragraphs that braddy-chan here put together, KEEP ONE GODDAM SIMPLE INSTRUCTION IN MIND AND PRACTICE.

PRACTICE.

PRACTICE.

while you drive, while you shit, while you eat.

PRACTICE.

you do not have TIME to fuck around with esoterics, with idiocies, with blogs, with shit.

some of these assholes that indulge you here are fucking marines who have stared death in the eye, they can take your life away with one finger if need be, yet they are still practicing.

wonder why?

i give a shit you have your fear of death licked. sit around until mara shows you the fear of being unable to die while having your indestructible dick stuck up a termite hill, a la slaughterhouse 5 vonegut stories.

here man, here's your instruction:

if you are SOTO:

STRAIGHTEN THE SPINE.

if you are RINZAI:

FOCUS INTO YOUR HARA AND EXTEND YOUR OUTBREATH.

now think about this, what the fuck are you gonna do when next iteration you won't have BREATH with you and you're RINZAI or you won't have a SPINE and you're SOTO?

but that is SUPER ADVANCED PRACTICE.

if you're on a fucking cushion, those up there and below here because i'll do you a goddam favor and retype them, not cut and paste them, retype them for you, so you grasp the importance of HAVING BAREBONES SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION that you can practice WHILE YOU HAVE A GUN TO YOUR HEAD.

and i mean that literally.

if you're SOTO: straighten the spine.

if you're RINZAI: extend the outbreath with focus into your HARA.

now go burn your fucking shoboshitzozenzo and tell your braddy-chan he needs to get the fuck over his ideation that he can teach.

all he can do is abuse other teachers while he's a fucked up baby with diapers around his monkey butthole.

for the 3rd time i tell you, you need to PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE and everywhere you are and can remember and buy yourself one of those goddam watches that can bing-bing-bing at you every hour and when you hear it, because I bet you're so in the clouds you'll hear it maybe once or twice a day instead of 24 fucking time:z, then remember your basic instruction!

SOTO: STRAIGHTEN SPINE.

RINZAI: EXTEND OUTBREATH. (MIND FOCUS IN THE HARA).

Anonymous said...

that about buddhanature = chakra:z and vice versa is valid ONCE YOU'RE THERE.

show me the deviation!
SHOW me the deviation!
SHOW ME the deviation!
SHOW ME THE deviation!
SHOW ME THE DEVIATION!

Anonymous said...

zotl said, "you do not have TIME to fuck around...with blogs, with shit."

Do us all a favour and follow your own advise. And get back on your meds while your at it, you sound miserable

Anonymous said...

I have only one humble request of the slimeballs that tell another to get back on meds because in their wise estimation, they are miserable and need it:

do it while you're looking into my eye:z you piece of shit coward.

Anonymous said...

was surf up for bodhi gliding after sitting today?

recommended DVD for dinner and a movie: in Bruges.

John said...

Hi Elizabeth,

I'm glad to see the zazen instruction page has finally seen the light of day. Very nice! It seems to me you visited us for this photo shoot a long time ago. Maybe I've just been crazy busy.

During discussion that day I brought up bodhicita, and you offered some helpful Sanskrit translation advice. I don't know if I properly thanked you.. Thanks!

Hope your move North is treating you well,
John

P.S. Even though he doesn't read these comments, thanks to Brad for plugging my band, Deep 6 Holiday.

Moon Face Buddha said...

Liz, great Yoga page. The black & white photographs are awesome.

Milan Davidovic said...

Step 2: bow to the cushion... in the photo the eyes seem to look at the camera. In reality, would they look at the cushion? Does it even matter?

Anonymous said...

john,

assuming you are the information overload tshirt who sat 2 weeks ago at hill street and may have even been retarded enough to tell fat albert that "we don't move during zazen" only our minds move, I recommend that if you know for a fact your teacher does not read his own blog's comment section, you fucking find another one pronto.

your teacher is pathetic enough for having a blog period. however, if he extends this idiocy to being a retarded arrogant bastard who somehow finds himself unable " to bother" with the comments section, the only way to get feedback to the way he blog preaches, then my friend you are a triple fool for sticking around this moron for anything else than butt plugs. not band!

Milan Davidovic said...

Hey moon face buddha, your profile photo was taken by my friend Kevin Steele. Do you know him or have you been following Xena's story on Kevin's Flickr site?

Anonymous said...

dear losers who can't stop sucking up to lixxxie-grrl:

you won't get laid.

also, if you're this desperate, just go to Olympic Gardens in Vegas. at least they don't enforce the "don't touch" policy.

in other news, your hormones are better teachers than braddy-spermatozenoid.

John said...

"we don't move during zazen" only our minds move

I certainly never said that to anyone.

As for me being a fool... yeah, probably. But not for the reasons you've stated.

John said...

Oh, and good luck with you work problems.

Anonymous said...

john, I said you "may have been retarded enough" which means you didn't have to tell me you never say never, nor confirm that you do feel like a loser.

fix both these problems by getting another teacher who does read your comment:z!

Anonymous said...

MB says
"your teacher is pathetic enough for having a blog period. however, if he extends this idiocy to being a retarded arrogant bastard who somehow finds himself unable " to bother" with the comments section, the only way to get feedback to the way he blog preaches, then my friend you are a triple fool for sticking around this moron for anything else than butt plugs. not band!"

good insight, so don't expect anything from here. You are talking to rocks and a few trees.

Jinzang said...

jinzy, you a vipassana dude?

Nope.

in zen we bow to the teaching. not the goddam cushion

The photo shoot says to bow to the cushion, then bow away from the cushion.

why are you here?

Why do people visit zoos?

cow said...

Muu

Harry said...

"Why do people visit zoos?"

1. To feel superior to the caged animals...

2... and be reassured that we have conquered nature while at the same time getting that little thrill of being close to our savage,sexual distant animal past and our very real animal present?

3. To eat junk food.

Regards,

Harry.

Kid Icarus said...

We hold our hands like that in Kinhin,too! Brad, come see our Deshimaru temple in New Orleans, where we drink wine on sunday and eat meat after sesshin! (Typical New Orleanian Riff-Raff, but we sit up straight and quiet)

P.S I mean, come after the storm, because we're not there right now. Talk about Mujo.

i see the light in people said...

Yes, this business of bowing: to or toward?
Soto: you approach the place you will be sitting.
And you will be sitting facing the wall.
You come to your place.
Having arrived at your place you bow--that would be facing the wall, as you stand before your place.
You bow toward the wall, toward the cushion. You turn clockwise, 180 degrees and now you bow toward the room, toward everything now in front of you which will soon all be in back of you.
You sit down on the zafu (if it's a zafu you're sitting on) and you rotate your body clockwise 180 degrees to the position in which you will squarely face the wall. You arrange your legs, to make stable 3 point position (both knees and base of spine). You lengthen the spine as Michael B so succinctly puts it in a comment somewhere above.
You arrange your hands (yes, if they are not placed on the heels of your full lotus feet, or in your lap they need to rest on something and small cushions are made just for this purpose.
Gong/bell marks the start of the sitting period and gong/bell marks the end of sitting. At the end of sitting, you place hands in gassho and bow toward the wall, you rock yourself gently side to side to re-engage muscles and turn clockwise on your zafu to the front. You get up,(or, turn clockwise, quickly straighten your cushion, turn clockwise come to full stand, gassho toward the room.

This is the custom
Usually, when you sit with others, this bowing is to them, sitting on either side of you, and sitting across from you.
You are acknowledging their presence, and, in turn, they also acknowledge yours by bowing on either side of you as you bow toward the wall, and, across the room from you , the one directly in front of you and the ones on either side of you also bow toward you as you bow toward them.

Brad has given instruction to bow toward the wall (ok he may say 'to the cushion' but I'm not so sure he doesn't mean toward the cushion. It is a point, but a rather moot point: buddha is all things, so let us express gratitude, why don't we to the myriad things buddha is.

Brad has not given instruction as to any bowing in return by the rest of us, yet I have seen a recent Tassajara trainee do the acknowledgement bow when someone, while taking their seat bowed toward the wall.

So I guess different folks who sit with Brad bring their different levels of training with them and either continue to practice them, or don't as the case may be.

While the form is minimum and there is the extremely rare odd service once in a blue moon,
zazen is the emphasis and is simply and elegantly expressed weekly, with no fuss tea and a little time for questions/discussion/talk afterwards.

i see enlightened people but they don't see me said...

yes!
good luck to all of us with all of our problems: at work, with each other, with the blog, the blog comments, the lack of readers of the comments the placement of hands the bowing to and towards what have you and so on and so forth and shooby dooby doo, oooooo
sha sha!

Anya said...

Hmm, the girl Brad picked, that he comes right out and says is here for eye candy, was sitting funny? How odd.

Anonymous said...

Why does this feel oh so FAKE??

Anonymous said...

Anon:

You only see eye-candy. Other people (esp. "Monks") will see other things.

Anonymous said...

harry 2 - jinzy 0

of course, we don't want to keep score here because the room is foola buddhas and / or assholes and nothing in between.

I just came back from "elegy" a movie about Penelope Cruz's boobs; they looked different from the boobs she was sporting in Vanilla Sky.

Neither felt fake any more than the projection of boob:z in general.

It would be a good day to sit among rocks and trees, but the comments do feel a helluva lot like the zoo, still when in Rome, you can't speak Sanskrit.

Harry said...

You can have my points, Mikey B.

Yes, we're all in a zoo entirely of our own making. We're both monkey and keeper.

Bad monkey!/Bad keeper!

Regards,

Harry.

proulx michel said...

JB said
this is the problem with zen in the west (perhaps the east..?), and how we fuck it up. perfect series of examples. ruthless intellectualism, mixed with macho bullshit.

Yes. Someone wrote this to me the other day, on the same subject. He said that the last disciple of Sawaki, one Kishigami Kojun told them that he had witnessed the evolution of two types of co-disciples: thos who concentrate exclusively upon the practice, and those who carried in parallel a deep core study of Buddhism. In the end, he noticed that the former had become more humble than the latter.
My correspondent adds that they had been surprised by that assertion, because Deshimaru Zen often represents "intellectuals" as full of their own knowledge and liable to lose their tie with reality. But the good old monk insisted that it is so. And it is my opinion too. Because it is my experience that most deshimarians (deshimarists?) tend to be arrogant and insensitive.

Ernest said...

Kid Icarus said...

We hold our hands like that in Kinhin,too! Brad, come see our Deshimaru temple in New Orleans, where we drink wine on sunday and eat meat after sesshin!

Typical deshimarian stuff. Deshimaru was a drunkard, so they pay homage to him by getting drunk too...

Jinzang said...

... those who concentrate exclusively upon the practice, and those who carried in parallel a deep core study of Buddhism.

Practice and study go together and they shouldn't be set up in opposition to each other.

Jinzang said...

harry 2 - jinzy 0

In Zen zero is the winning score.

Harry said...

Yes, that's why this blog attracts us losers.

Losers arguing over who is the best loser is a good one... but its not Zen, even by your definition of the word.

Anyway, what happened to the faux 'modesty' and 'humility' you were spouting the other week?

"Zen" my arse, "Buddhism" my arse, let's all go back to train spotting where we belong.

Regards,

Harry.

Anonymous said...

""Zen" my arse, "Buddhism" my arse, let's all go back to train spotting where we belong."

Zen and Buddhism is not necessary. Only try, try mind with practice all the time. Sitting is good for practice. Walking, talking, thinking, working, driving with don't know try mind. Bad karma appears, no problem, just keep don't know try mind. Ask Brad about this, he can translate for the Soto and newbie people.

Anonymous said...

Michel Proulx said

... Kishigami Kojun told them that he had witnessed the evolution of two types of co-disciples: thos who concentrate exclusively upon the practice, and those who carried in parallel a deep core study of Buddhism. In the end, he noticed that the former had become more humble than the latter.
My correspondent adds that they had been surprised by that assertion, because Deshimaru Zen often represents "intellectuals" as full of their own knowledge and liable to lose their tie with reality. But the good old monk insisted that it is so. And it is my opinion too. Because it is my experience that most deshimarians (deshimarists?) tend to be arrogant and insensitive.

Who is more humble, the one who concentrates only on practice or the one with parallel study?

Here is a link to about Kishigami Kojun http://www.zen-road.org/

Jinzang said...

Losers arguing over who is the best loser is a good one... but its not Zen, even by your definition of the word.

Winning and losing are terms that are best reserved for games and not life.

Anyway, what happened to the faux 'modesty' and 'humility' you were spouting the other week?

If my actions fall short of my words, that only means I need to practice more.

Mike H said...

harry:

Buddhist Train-spotters - please god no!

They will be shunned by the other train-spotters.

One set of BTs would be arguing that the station is moving; another that the train is an illusion, another that the tick should be formed left to right with an upward stroke, another that the whole number should be recorded.

Amongst all the arguing the actual train-spotting would be forgotten.

Meanwhile the Trainspotters would have quite and decided to take up plane-spotting instead because it was more peaceful.

Anya said...

anon said

You only see eye-candy. Other people (esp. "Monks") will see other things

Except Brad makes it clear that what he is seeing here is eye candy. Even if you make the argument that flaunting the celebrity connection is what makes it more "interesting" than the the appearance of the girl, it's pretty superficial.

Also, Brad is not a "monk" in any use of the term that has ever been accepted anywhere but modern Japan. Of course, monks don't feel human cravings like lust right?

You have to love how oh so strict posture Brad is suddenly okay with variant postures though.

Harry said...

Yes, the human animal- no matter how proficient and realistic a trainspotter he/she is- is prone to slipping on his/her/eachother's own bullshit on the platform from time to time.

I'll bow to that regardless of what alcoholic, damaged, insensitive lout teaches it be it a Dogensangarian or a Deshimarmite or whatever...

Regards,

Harry.

the counter said...

97 !!!

Elizabeth Rose said...

John said:

"Hi Elizabeth,

I'm glad to see the zazen instruction page has finally seen the light of day. Very nice! It seems to me you visited us for this photo shoot a long time ago. Maybe I've just been crazy busy.

During discussion that day I brought up bodhicita, and you offered some helpful Sanskrit translation advice. I don't know if I properly thanked you.. Thanks!

Hope your move North is treating you well,
John"


Hi John!

Yes, it actually was quite some time ago. Last December, actually.

You're welcome for the tiny discourse on chitta/bodhicita, of course! I love all the interesting parallels and deviations in language and technique between Buddhism and its origins and the Yoga and its origins and philosophy. I could happily talk about that stuff all day.

I love the PNW, and am happy in the moment with being here, but I do miss some things about L.A. I will come and sit with you all again when I am visiting.

Peace,
-E.

Anonymous said...

jinzy, if you scroll back to the very 1st message i ever threw your way, you'll notice that you remain the same arrogant bastard you were back then, which means your practice isn't deepening at all and you can fool yourself all you want with bullshit like life is a zero sum game, thus so is zen, but you my friend remain in that dust of zero and no, it's not (not ZERO) we can meet ourselve:z!

now say the fuck goodbye to your chiquita monkeys or whoever you slouch tibetan style with and either start sitting vigorous zazen or keep telling us all how conceited you are by doing the full lotus while pretending you're a 350+ pounds whale on the intronets.

also, drop the holistic healer attitude, you're just one of those small minded nazi assholes that justin thinks i am.

which i am, evidently, but not in the context he thinks i am.

Anonymous said...

oh the wonders of typing and ethervanishing statements: what is missing up there is this:

it's not about zero, it is about walking full circle and realizing in coming and going we get to meet ourselve:z never having left to begin with, right? left sided punch to your fat head.

michael bardan said...

proulx,

i have NEVER witnessed you have an opinion of your own ever since i've been reading your comments.

all you do is spew out "good ole monk" opinions to which you subscribe.

of your own experience you have said NOTHING yet.

sincerely,
mB)

ps: i maintain your bowl is cracked and i bet you've never had to beg for your daily gruel, except maybe for show off purposes.

Anonymous said...

Lisa is totally hot!!!!

Can I sit next to her if I go to your sitting group?

Anonymous said...

which part of she's no longer in socal dontcha understand?

but yeah, at hill street they let people sit on top of each other too and call it sexhin.

aeon:z ahead of kinhin...

sexhin said...

who needs sesshin either?

elizabeth rose said...

hahahaha, talk about rocks and tree:z!

jinzang said...

make me come down to a zoo next to you and show you my full lotus!

proulx michel said...

Anonymous said...

Michel Proulx said

... Kishigami Kojun told them that he had witnessed the evolution of two types of co-disciples: thos who concentrate exclusively upon the practice, and those who carried in parallel a deep core study of Buddhism. In the end, he noticed that the former had become more humble than the latter.
My correspondent adds that they had been surprised by that assertion, because Deshimaru Zen often represents "intellectuals" as full of their own knowledge and liable to lose their tie with reality. But the good old monk insisted that it is so. And it is my opinion too. Because it is my experience that most deshimarians (deshimarists?) tend to be arrogant and insensitive.

Who is more humble, the one who concentrates only on practice or the one with parallel study?


The one with parallel study

proulx michel said...

michael bardan said...

proulx,

i have NEVER witnessed you have an opinion of your own ever since i've been reading your comments.

all you do is spew out "good ole monk" opinions to which you subscribe.

of your own experience you have said NOTHING yet.


My own experience is that of a craftsman. You have to practice AND study. If you don't study, you only end up being a lousy craftsman. And study here is both intellectual and observatory. If you only study and don't practice, you are quite liable to propound things that are all very nice but of no practical value. If you only practice without showing any interest for what others have discovered, you just tend to become calcified in what little you know and are good at.

Does that answer your query?

Rich said...

If you make and stick to your opinions, then what other kind of speech would you expect here. Tell me you have not laughed your ass off at some of MB's comments. Why is that? If you are going to read about it, you could do a lot worse than here with some of the bullshit that's out there. It looks like the tibetans are trying to corner the spiritual market. Reminds me of those Texans who almost got control of the silver market many years ago.

michael bardan said...

proulx, why don't you tell us what exactly you do here?

i'll take this last comment at face value and say you should consistently throw mud in brad's face based on what you say, because here's a guy who really studies nothing outside of his narrow teaching that he happens to practice and now believes he can teach.

come to think of it braddy-chan IS a champion of passive-aggressiveness, which is why i slap his ass every which way with barebones aggressiveness at times.

but don't let me digress.

if you're a craftsman, please do tell us of your craft. not friggin' tales of ole monks.

tell us of your movies if you're the proulx featured at imdb or post pix of southern france in easier ways for us to see than follow through to your blog if you have one, because if you do, it's boring enough for one to click through once and never again.

tell us of YOUR EXPERIENCE and it will automatically feel authentic, not as someone noticed the other day asking why does this all feel so fake?

the words you use are fake, the experiences you describe aren't yours, combined these two ingredients can only lead to HARMFUL BULLSHIT, because you do have some authority vested in your presence by virtue of transmission or whatever.

a long time ago i said i do not understand why i am here. i could be anywhere else, but i am here.

do i feel any kind of affinity with braddy-chan? not really. i mean i feel affinity with the way we can write a blog. i do not feel affinity with his presence in person.

however i know enough to disregard both and always be present with his presence, be it internet comments or his awkward sitted dharma talk presence.

i have not yet met the guy in godzilla suit playing zero defx music, mainly because i really am past the need to fill my ears with loudness, i'd rather lissn to the punk message if need be by reading their songs' lyrix.

anyhoo, did you answer my query? i have no clue, i'm not looking for answers, not from you, not from life, but i am looking for folks who can ask the right question:z! not much of that i see here, then again expectations even if lowered are still expectations of some kind and are there only to not be met, how else can we learn to be fully present and truly live life as is?

michael bardan said...

but michel man every time i see your avatar i swear to god i can hear you as louis des funes saying:

c'est de l'huillllllllle and tapping the aliens on the back or trying to stick the screwdriver up their ass:z!

seriously now, you look able to administer 8 keisaku blow:z in real life...

with 9 bows,
mB)

Rich said...

what is the one pure and clear thing? If you can answer that, then read all the sutras, scriptures and teacher stories so you can improve your helping others craftmanship.

If you can't answer that, then practice a lot and read a little.

George W. said...

Anonymous wrote:

"this is your hook, bro, because evidently you can only be cruising at altitude while the altitude is on the freeway.

when shit gets complicated, you'll beg for mercy."

And it seems yours is to be right and to point out your "mastery' of My Truth?

Of course..I could be mistaken....

I have shit in my life..I do see many things as complicated, but I don't need to make practice complicated.

Unfortunately my words often fail to communicate what I mean..LOL

Anonymous said...

georgie, because for the most part I operate from a place where I don't give a shit whether I'm right or wrong and you operate from one where right is better than wrong, I will always be right when tangling with you, according to your views too, which hurts even more like a bitch.

which us also why you won't see me LOLing at you and shit, because when you laugh I won't have to cue it for you.

in other happenings, mb to his chink wife who sat full time for 3.5 years at rzc.org:

what is the 1 pure and clear thing?

HUH?

what is the ONE pure and clear thing?

WHAT?

oh okay I get it, it's that which is asking!

*chink goes back to her afternoon nap*

that concludes all the righting and wronging I need to do forever and ever amen until tomorrow when I have to vacuum the house, then Ill be wrong all over again and 100%.

Anonymous said...

/chuckles at lauren's potbelly burp story

in Romanian, buda = toilet bowl, but Budapest most certainly is not a shitfly.

I told the teacher when I die I want my ashes thrown half washed off in the shower (where prostration practice can be developed in unparalleled ways under the tutelage of The Almighty ShowerHead) and half flushed down the toilet buda in my 1st language), but she said sorry, can't comply, you'd clog the plumbing.

had she said "it's illegal to dump ashes in public drainworks" I would have stuck my middle finger up my throat and pulled a southpark vomit scene on her brown rakusu.

George W. said...

"Anonymous said...

georgie, because for the most part I operate from a place where I don't give a shit whether I'm right"

Anonymous.....

Good points....and I agree..I also don't give a shit if you are right or wrong.

I wondered when the "tangling" began though....

And I am attached to Correct is better than Incorrect.....Thanks for pointing that out...

But you do overestimate my pain...

George W. said...

Rich:

"George W
If you make I, it gets more complcated. You and Sadaam were more alike than different. You may have been great friends in the end."

yep Rich, I do make "I"...so do "you"..so does everyone else...but probably not Sadaam anymore..don't know...

Regardless....there are also times that there is just sitting...

I am no enlightened Buddha guy...just someone looking at stuff..

Rich said...

"Regardless....there are also times that there is just sitting..."

Just sitting is just enough. There is no enlightenment here. Thank you for expressing that. When you are just sitting and have no ideas about I, what are you? It's the same don't know you mention.

pincreative2 said...

she's no longer in socal dontcha understand?

Then why is doubtboy pimpin her on his site?

Anonymous said...

can you help with instructions about thinking in zazen.

we aren't supposed to be thinking of good and evil does this mean forcing these kind of thoughts away.

also i don't understand thinking in general because you're not supposed to try to not think but staying aware should stop them naturally. but then how is that different to deliberately not thinking if it is likewise a deliberate act [awareness] that stops thoughts.


any help appreciated.

Anonymous said...

Hej folks,

the instructions with Liza Rose are offline...
Is there any alternate adress/link?

Gassho from Germany!