Friday, August 08, 2008

Santa Monica Zazen, Cults & c.


I've made some changes on the page about the Saturday zazen things in Santa Monica. I've revised the starting time to 9:45 for instructions and 10 for the beginning of zazen. We've been doing it that way for a year or more. But I just never got around to changing the webpage. Also I added these lines:

On Saturdays I do my daily zazen practice at the Hill Street Center and I open the doors to allow others to join me. I am not trying to recruit followers or build up a large organization. This isn't like a church or even a typical Zen center. You're joining my personal practice. Be respectful and do not expect to be catered to. On days when I can't be at Hill Street I usually have someone there to open the door and continue the practice as I do.

I thought it was necessary to make this clear. I know it doesn't sound particularly inviting. But I don't really care. I'm as nice as I can possibly be when people arrive at these Saturday things. But I'm really not a very gregarious, sociable person by nature. I won't be mean to you. But don't expect me to be all huggy and sweet because that's not how I am.

I will not attend the sittings on August 9th or 16th since I'll be at the Great Sky Zen sesshin. I won't be there on the 30th either because I'll be attending the Maezumi Institute Young Buddhists Retreat (I'll be at the Hill St. Center on the 23rd, though). But someone will be at Hill Street Center on those days to open the doors and instruct new people on what they need to do. If you're inclined to do zazen with a group and you're in So Cal you should come to these sittings regardless of whether I'm there or not. I do not matter. I'm just some jerk who writes books and says boring stuff at the end of the sitting. Zazen is yours. I cannot help you with it at all.

Going to the Hare Krishna thing last week got me looking into the history of the organization. Chris Chapple lent me a book called Hare Krishna Transformed that goes into some of the scandals that have plagued the movement since the death of its founder in 1977. I also found this YouTube documentary on the subject. It's way too damn long and obviously the director has an agenda. But it's about as thorough as you'd ever want to get and contains some amazing footage of some of the stuff the narrator talks about actually happening.

I've always been very concerned with the matter of cults. There is a pattern to how new religious movements grow.

STEP 1: A charismatic leader, usually from a foreign country, starts the group.

STEP 2: He (or she, but I'll stick with he) names his successor.

STEP 3: He dies.

STEP 4: The successor gets accused of doing bad things.

STEP 5: The successor is ousted.

STEP 6: A committee is formed to carry on the "true teachings."

STEP 7: Everything becomes very corporate, stale and pretty much useless.

In the case of the Krishnas, it's pretty clear that Keith "Kirtanananda Swami" Ham actually did do some pretty heinous things. But jealousy and greed for power among those who feel they ought to have been the rightful successor is so strong that I'm not sure actual wrong doing is even required for step 4.

Anyway, if you're lucky maybe something gets preserved and passed on in this process. But I don't think the organization is ever really responsible for this except that maybe they act to preserve the records of what happened. Like the Soto-shu preserving Dogen's writings even though they really didn't look at them for the first 600 years or so of their existence.

I think the rewriting and editing done to Hardcore Zen gives people the mistaken impression I want to start a movement of some kind. I really don't. I'm not interested at all in promoting myself as a Zen teacher or enlarging my group. I do not want to have any followers. Not a single one.

On the other hand, I don't mind promoting myself as a writer, and I write mainly about Zen. So I understand why there's some confusion. But here I am, once again trying to clear that up. I'll be trying to clear that up till I die, I think. But that's fine.

In any case, I'm thinking hard about all this and how it applies to this nebulous something that may or may not exist but has been given the provisional designation "Dogen Sangha." It may be simpler than I think it is. Because in a very real sense there is a nebulous something which may or may not exist but has been given the provisional designation "Brad Warner" and I deal with that all the time.

If I manage to reach some conclusion, I'll let you know.

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Anonymous said...

DOG ENEMA

nasty!

201 said...

you think pandora's box was bad?

try schroedinger's dirichlet cube, you little dice playin' pussy.

paraZit:zeeeeeeeee said...

slalom printre cretini.

capt. obvious said...

hmmm its a little more than obvious brad has a stalker

Anonymous said...

"a fruitfly by any other name would smell as sweet. you're not fooling anyone fake michael."

sorry, i can't tell the difference between your monkey chatter and any other faker..

Jinzang said...

Probably Stramonium.

When considering Stram. the idea of violence comes into mind. One cannot look upon a patient who needs Stram., or who has been poisoned with it, without wondering at the tremendous turmoil, the great upheaval taking place in mind and body. Full of excitement, rage, everything is tumultuous, violent ...

proulx michel said...

Blogger qbitty said...

see if that proulx fuck has enough r0manian under his belt to translate the dog(en)ma!

alternatively, there's always someone at microsoft. or google.

take your pick.


'Mma 'cche me ne fotte. A 'mme 'bbasta o napuletane...

proulx michel said...

Blogger qbitty said...

see if that proulx fuck has enough r0manian under his belt to translate the dog(en)ma!

alternatively, there's always someone at microsoft. or google.

take your pick.


'Mma 'cche me ne fotte. A 'mme 'bbasta o napuletane...

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michael bardan said...

jinz, spot on, you want me to attach a real time pic so you can see all those signs you describe now?

okay then, how about you show up at santa monica hill street tomorrow, because, suspense, drum beat...

I will be there to stalk Brad in his absence.

in other news, the degree of imbecility that you zen wannabee:z display is incredible.

see y'all tomorrow and make sure to fly some royalty in that austin, tx guy's plane & bring all the muay thai and martial dicks too, i'll bring my goddam wood seiza bench.

*rolls eye:z*

Anonymous said...

michael bardan:

"I will be there to stalk Brad in his absence."

Do you want a gold star?

Perhaps a lollipop?

Anonymous said...

2 suicide girls on each side and 1 dancing on the wall:z!-)

Jinzang said...
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Jinzang said...

jinz, spot on, you want me to attach a real time pic so you can see all those signs you describe now? okay then, how about you show up at santa monica hill street tomorrow, because, suspense, drum beat... I will be there to stalk Brad in his absence.

You and the other folks in Santa Monica won't be seeing me because I live on the East Coast and hang out with my Vajrayana buddies and am seldom seen in the vicinity of a zendo. Anyone who wants to stalk me will find me here.

My opinion of you would probably change if I met and talked with you, hopefully for the better. But your behavior on this blog makes me think of the opening scene in David and Lisa.

michael bardan said...

I'm adding David and Lisa to my NetFlix queue at #1 and will comment (not at all) later on, however, let me speak to you as clearly as humanly possible, so you understand.

I am telling you this AGAIN, because I did tell you the 1st time you diagnosed me.

It is because of judgmental and righteous folk such as yourself that this country today is a pharmacracy, worse than exemplified in 1984. or brave new world. take your pick.

I know you're all holistic in your approach, but it is the righteousness that is the problem.

You are a judgmental [insert expletive here] who are only interested in vindicating your label thrown upon another for the purpose of silencing something you do not want to hear.

I do not care if you advocate a white Stramonium pill or Zyprexa (which is the Devil), it is your righteousness and belief that you can invade my being with your "cure" that is the evil on this planet.

It is the abomination of white coats playing God in the absence of any God.

That is the evil.

Your holier than thou approach on this blog is despicable and I do not care for your spirituality and I have dedicated my life to vanquishing righteousness such as yours.

Am I going "to do" anything in this spacetime context. No.

However we all know the moment the intent is set, the work is done.

There will be no one invading another one ever again in this world.

I have never ever asked anyone to shut up even, yet you continuously ask me not just to shut up, but to treat myself, because I speak.

Last I checked, a human being only had above an animal the power to speak.

This power evidently was granted as a curse.

Live your hell and figure out how to transform it into a blessing.

Godspeed!

SMPR Diagnosis said...

Simultaneous
Multiple
Parallel
Realities

boozer said...

too much to drink old sport.

I shot an arrow in the air... everyone watched and sent in $30

puffer said...

This sums it up, NOT.

Mike H said...

Michael Bardan:

You are a judgmental [insert expletive here] who are only interested in vindicating your label thrown upon another for the purpose of silencing something you do not want to hear.

You are describing yourself.

Most of your time here has been spent judging others and making false claims about them.

If people are not how you want them to be it's not their problem.

None of the people here have had anything to do with your past. It's not their fault.

I've written about stuff for years on my own (and previous blogs). People don't always like what I write. Gee who would have thought it?

But what I don't do is go stumbling into someone ele's house, grab random strangers and say "Why don't you fucking listen to me you fucking loser, you're just like all the others".

For someone who claims to be ex-military you can be a real whiny pussy.

Maybe that'll be your Buddhist name Pussy Bardan - Nekodo Bardan.

Neko-do = Way of the Cat.

If your lazy pussy ass turns up at Brad's session I'll be amazed.

michael bardan said...

/clappers 0n

bell, bell, bell, bell.

qbitty said...

/kinhin water qooler break

ooolahlah, mikey ehtsch has double speak in it, such non-duality AND he has a blog too [which, like mine, and braddy-chan's here, nobody reads].

we're all impressed if mikey bee is gonna descend upon hill street, because it's not like he's been there before already.

fucking loser hippo dancing passive aggressive asshole.

get a real IT contract, man, then come back here and teach the kids how to elevate their ass holes to integrity and realness.

michael bardan said...

/clappers 0ff

up to 3.5 hours w/ traffic (58,ooo times more effective zazen while stalled in LA traffic v your beanbagged zafu!-)

what won't i do for a chance to mingle with that hill street chancy suicide grrl...

plus i owe braddy-chan $35 + interest for bailing out on him b4, ah the irresponsibility of the bee:z, leaving the planet and all.

6. Take the exit onto I-805 N toward Los Angeles
14.4 mi
7. Merge onto I-5 N
53.4 mi
8. Take exit 85A to merge onto CA-73 N toward Long Beach
Partial toll road

17.8 mi
9. Take the exit onto I-405 N
42.8 mi
10. Take the exit onto I-10 W toward Santa Monica
3.8 mi
11. Take exit 1A for 4th St/5th St
0.3 mi
12. Turn left at 4th St
0.6 mi
13. At the traffic circle, take the 2nd exit and stay on 4th St
0.4 mi
14. Turn right at Hill St
0.1 mi

237 Hill St
Santa Monica, CA 90405

Anonymous said...

here here mike h!

z0tl said...

I'm early n they hits no 3G coverage here so I can't blog it with pix. At least the sun came out.

Mike H said...

fucking loser hippo dancing passive aggressive asshole.


I bet you're just saying that to turn me on. It's working!

Anonymous said...

ooolahlah, mikey ehtsch has double speak in it, such non-duality AND he has a blog too [which, like mine, and braddy-chan's here, nobody reads].

I read mike h's blog sometimes. he makes clothes and has dancing lessons.
you on the other hand are just a dick

michael bardan said...

Jinz and Mike,

Much as I disagree with both of you you. The fake Michael is parodying me. I bought some stramonium. it didn't work.i'm still batshit crazy.

i am the god of hellfire. and i bring you. yaza.

//clappers off

michael bardan said...

You call me fake, but I made your breakfast and brushed your hair this mornin you ungrateful wretch! NO MORE PILLS... all of us in here want to LIVE!

ding...
ding...
dingggggggg........

Jinzang said...

I do not care if you advocate a white Stramonium pill or Zyprexa (which is the Devil), it is your righteousness and belief that you can invade my being with your "cure" that is the evil on this planet.

Your life is yours to live as you like. I'm not forcing anything on you. I amuse myself by guessing peoples' homeopathic remedies. It means nothing. If you really want homeopathic treatment, find a competent professional.

I agree with you about Zyprexa, it's an awful drug.

Jinzang said...

you continuously ask me not just to shut up, but to treat myself, because I speak

No, you shouldn't treat yourself for any serious problem. Leave that to someone who does it professionally.

It's not THAT you speak, it's the CONTENT of your speech that has people upset, Ann Landers used to say that before speaking you should ask yourself three questions. Is it kind? Is it true? Is it helpful?

I would add a fourth question: have I said it before? I think you've been repeating yourself for the last fifty or so posts. You've made your point. No need to hammer it into the ground.

Anonymous said...

yeah what ever happened to "right speech" asshole?

Smoggyrob said...

Hi everyone:

Well, I got to meet the famous Michael Bardan today. A rather quiet, intense guy, seems nice enough. I liked his homemade plywood seiza bench and beach towel zabuton -- you've got to respect the DIY ethic. He had to leave right after sitting, and so missed pizza, body-surfing, and cocktails. Too bad, I was looking forward to talking with him. Mike, please feel free to join us anytime.

Rob

qbitty said...

ven (dontcha h8 abbrev as such venereal may seem) godzilla comma

veni vidi vici

they now have the cathin knowledge and you have transmission of my shitstick in your ass's absence.

infamous is the w0rd I was lookin' 4 but I'm down for the bodhi surfing invite, gas prices willing and bail for wreckless speeding allowing.

also it's a thermal blankie not bitch towel, as I'm always ready for unpredictable weather if I should get stuck on the Mountain.

fat albert took u all 2 sqool.

holy wooooooood ... cue twilight zone tune.

x to the z represent.

michael bardan said...

what up e-zangha?

kat gotch ur tongue?

proulxes son of zamolxes where are you and your goddam cosa nostra mockery of a language when the nuclear submarine person that vanished under the clear blue sky needs you?

man, all the while i'm sittin' there all trying' to conjure up some true suicide girl and then fat albert pffft passes a silently murdering one, next thing i know it's all biggy pop:z and the 10 crack commandment:z!

michael bardan said...

there's always yaza somewhere in this universe, see if we give a shit the sun is coming up with the clique of a butt0n in 2ndlife.com!

!onyoknee:z*beyotch*yaza!

zazen said...

silence and violence, aha,
foh shizzle mah bizzle!

follow these rule:z on the breakup,
if not 24 years on the shakeup.

gotta gotta go
more pie:z 2 bake yo!

123456789

TEN

billie jean said...

yah mAn, chill it low, because you may upset THE bodhicitta with that CONTENT, beyotch.

50 fukken time:z i rang your bells for you and you said thank you?

NO

but 50 times i rang them louder in your ears and you express displeasure at the CONTENT?

asshole is a compliment for you, man.

and no, not every crowd of 1 contains an asshole, but evidently yours does.

it's called: life is FAIR after all at every moment.

engage your sorry ass schadenfraude practice, bitch, and see if maybe maybe it's not too late for you to change your stupid fat avatar and then you won't have to shit in a bag before you're out of this rotating gravity well called little fucked up earth where righteous bitches like you think PROFESSIONALS can cure anything.

the only thing your PROFESSIONALS can cure is THEIR OWN ASSHOLE THAT PEES SHIT IN A BAG.

michael bardan said...

there shall be no original bells, nor whistles for a while.

fret not, I Am herenow as alway:z!

Harry said...

How colourfully bizarre.

I've often seen it myself where someone comes across like a complete nut-job on the net only to seem quite normal, or even very quiet, in real life (in fact, I'm just like that!)

The net seems to offer somewhat of a vent to people's sub-conscious thought. Maybe, in our violent but still generally repressed societies, it offers a place for people to 'live out' and express sub conscious urges that would not generally be accepted in conventional society. Maybe this is a good thing where it doesn't descend into dark fantasy?

What's your sub-conscious 'net identity' and why is it the way it is?

Regards,

Sigmund Bonaparte.

Anonymous said...

30 men lift bus to save baby in New York 2 hours, 2 minutes ago



About 30 men lifted a schoolbus to save a pregnant woman struck by the bus, enabling the baby to be born before the woman died of her injuries, the New York Post said Friday.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg paid tribute to the victim, Donnette Sanz, 33, a traffic cop who was off duty when she was hit Thursday by the bus in the city's Bronx section.

"It is a terrible poignancy that Donnette's son's birthday will now coincide with the day his mother died. She gave her life in service to our city," the mayor said.

"A superhuman effort by 30 strangers who lifted the vehicle off her body miraculously saved her baby before she died," the New York Post said.

"We did not really communicate, we all just started lifting. We lifted it up and someone pulled her out," Madalina Diaz, 42, told the paper.

The woman, six months pregnant, was rushed to the hospital, where the baby was born by caesarian section a few minutes before she died.

Harry said...

Thank-you.

Regards,

H.

Rich said...

Harry, thank you for your insight. This is a Zen simulator and is just practice. Original mind has no why answer, it's just 'don't know'

michael bardan said...

harry,

you are a little (bonaparte sized) idiot, evidently.

I AM NOT QUIET IRL, i am a hot blooded fucking romanian unborn and undead combined asshole since birth.

i however have disidentified from that persona which is why i can be the way rob described me, which is pretty accurate.

it is a miracle i was able to that just in time with the help of mitra sensei of hvzc.org or by now i would've probably been either in prison or drugged out of existence on some sick psychiatrist's table.

i don't mean to insult people really, but i do that in extreme here only because you guys are practicing to transcend the matter of life and death.

THAT is an ULTIMATE GOAL here on earth, so there is no easy way to practice.

if you can't face "internet text" demons, WHAT THE FUCK will you do when the ones in your head truly come out at you on the cushion?

what you offered is not insight into my being here on this blog.

what you offered is insight into a 13 year old emo kid's blog who believes that if (s)he doesn't turn vegan tomorrow, the world will fucking end.

i could tell some shit PTSD whino that in fact it's not the goddam war that turned him as such, but it is the "help" psychiatry offered her or him when they returned home.

i say this again to all the war vets out there who are on all sorts of goddam "helpful" pills.

they are killing you softly, but surely, while at the same time robbing you of any dignity you have left.

THIS I SAY IN YET MORE SERIOUSNESS:

you cannot get rid of those pills suddenly (like an act of valiant effort in war, where you pull a rambo and take out a whole enemy unit), but you can gradually turn to eastern ways of healing (again, jinzang isn't bad at all in what he suggests, it is just that he has THE SAME ATTITUDE in why "healing" is necessary that betrays him as a chip off the same fucked up block, ie 2 snakes climbing up a crooked staff, claiming they can help you better than you can).

I digress, but the point again I want to make is this: I WOULD RATHER BE DEAD THAN HELPED THE WAY I WAS HELPED BY THE FUCKED UP WHITE COATS IN THIS COUNTRY.

also, do i need help in repressing my feelings/thoughts, dear "healer?"

NO.

the only thing i need is for you to understand the level of compassion i have for you (not you you stupid moron reading this blog, you're not that important) in order to be able to even look in the eye some of the PROFESSIONAL folk that have been involved with my "healing" way back a few years and 1/2 dozen years when they decided to diagnose and label my outspoken/extroverted way of being as a disease without "putting a straw through their left eye and drinking their brains out." - this is not a threat, it is a joke akin to the one you see on the internets: "some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them."

qbitty said...

i don't know about all this internet nonsense, but i'll be on stonewall peak at noon.

be there or be square.

ps: see why can't people go as easily and act on "oh, god, look at those thoughts" the way that dude in the video says "oh, god, look at those cloud:z!-)"

Harry said...

Mike,

Yes, you can't really be fooled (or un-fooled) by anyone else.

Regards,

Harry.

Harry said...

...and if you act like a fool then you'll probably seem like a fool.

Hardly unreasonable of people to treat you like a fool then.

Regards,

Harry Blownapart.

Harry said...

...and then: OH NO! The world reacting to you seeming like a fool is bolstering your identity as a fool. Now you and the world are making a fool in cahoots.

That's all fine if you're really happy to, effectively, be a fool.

Regards,

Neopolishing Bonaparte.

silencizthundr said...

when there is nothing to say, it's just the way it is:

nothing to say

Anonymous said...

barden, i dont want anyone to save you. i just want you to stfu.

Rich said...

Bardan says:
"it is a miracle i was able to that just in time with the help of mitra sensei of hvzc.org "

Mitra is from the Kapleau line which is strong and authentic.

The Three Pillars of Zen was my first exposure to Zen and I met Kapleau and his teaching got me started.

For physical ailments there is energy available in the abdominal area (hara) which can be moved to the injured or sick area to enhance healing. This energy ball is easily controlled with focus and concentration and can be applied anytime anywhere.

For emotional and mental anxiety, fears etc. Accept it and embrace it as soon as possible. Saying "I feel this anxiety and I will take care of it" It is part of you and will dissolve back into you.

Many diseases are caused by pollution and outside chemicals that get into you from your food, air and water. Cardio vascular exercise is helpful to clean up with but in extreme situations one may need fasting and a new environment.

silencizthundr said...

mike b
your participation in sangha sitting spoke volumes
words are superfluous, being the flimsy carrier pigeons they are for what you strive to convey with them, but which is revealed immediately in everything you do (including but not limited to): zazen, kinhin, cup of tea
blogging requires words and that's the dilhemma
be well, hope you're having fun out there

your fervor is palpable

thank you

Anonymous said...

dilemma

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