Friday, February 15, 2008

VALENTINE'S DAY WITH THE SUICIDE GIRLS


For all you folks wanting further evidence that Brad Warner is, indeed, The Porno Buddhist (I need to trademark that, it could make a good book title some day) and deserves to be made a laughing stock throughout all Buddhism, here is a photo from last night's big Suicide Girls bash on behalf of PETA 2. Yes, it's PETA 2 and not PETA. Don't ask me the difference because I don't know. I'm crap with names. But here's what my Zen-addled mind can cough up. The woman in red who I've got my arm around is Arabia, just behind her dressed in black is Aspen, who regularly attends our Zazen classes in Santa Monica and the woman whose left eye and left shoulder appear on the far left is Sam, another attendee of the Saturday Zazen things.

The party was loud. And I didn't stay too long because Aspen was my ride up there and needed to work the next day. This was fine by me since I'm not a late night dude anyway. I had fun for the hour or so I was out at the Roxy. But I just don't have the whole party animal thing going. So an hour was plenty. Sam was part of the fashion show, which consisted mainly of lingerie and fake fur. But no fake fur lingerie, which would have been interesting. My friend Cake was also part of the fashion show. But, sadly, I wasn't able to flag her down before we left. Cake, if you're reading this, no offense was intended.

I want to write something profound. But maybe not tonight. So just enjoy the picture and make up your own story about what went on before and after it was taken.

68 comments:

nancy said...

Here is my take.. Your wife is absolutely incredible to put up with all this. she must have no insecurities at all. You, on the other hand, come off as incredibly insensitive. what does marriage mean to a Buddhist? Why even bother..

Blake said...

http://www.uspto.gov/teas/

bob said...

Brad, your whole trip is real cool, but let's face it, it really doesn't have that much to do with being a Zen master with all the purple robe thing, so why don't you just give up that whole pretend schtick? Everyone would be totally OK with you founding your own religion and everything but it's a little bit much that you're tying whatever your bullshit trip is to Zen.

Anonymous said...

I'm jealous. You live large for a married guy.

Tyler the Red said...

Um, I don't get it. Why would a Budhist Zen Master be hanging out with a bunch of peoples with died hair?
That is soooooooo weird!

Go back to India where you belong! SHMAA!!!

John said...

Purple robe thing!!! That's hilarious!!!

I have this image of Brad fronting a Prince cover band.

sweet

One day Zen will be a lot more common and we'll feel nostalgia for the good old days of hilarious blog posts.

Purple robe purple robe
Purple robe purple robe
Purple robe purple robe

I only wanted 2 see u bathing in the purple robe

Anonymous said...

Classic song about suicide
nicely performed by girls.

.alana. said...

hey im in the middle of reading your book. nice work so far, i wouldnt put it down 'cept im studying for my nursing midterms at the moment and in the middle of pathophysiology and the chapter about sress management ( funny how things work out) i currently find myself drunk enough to leave a comment. it will still take me a while to wrap my mind around everything, sometimes i agree with you, sometimes i dont, but i apprectiate the mark you are making. suicide girls and peta are rad. ill be back. \m/. just curious to know what you listen to these days. refused are fuckin dead is my fav song today.

Mike Doe said...

How about a whole new school of Porno Buddhism. It could draw on the traditions of the Soto school and from Tibetan Buddhism - but with more interesting statues ;-)

The tagline could be "Porno Buddhism - Truly hardcore" ;-)

PA said...

Why d'ya miss out the name of the lady to your right?
The prettiest one. Man, zen masters are rubbish!

Smoggyrob said...

Hi everyone:

If you want some straightforward no-bullshit zazen this morning (Saturday Feb 16) please come join us, you're quite welcome. You couldn't ask for a friendlier group to sit with. Really. Stop reading now.

But if you don't give a damn about zazen and you show up just to stare at dharma babes, I swear by the little wooden buddha on the altar I will bounce your broken ass out into the street. Come prepared to practice.

I added a smiley to show I was just kidding, your Honor. 8^D

Rob

Anonymous said...

its just a photo of a group of people, right?

Anonymous said...

The Hugh Hefner of American Zen!

Picture looks a little bit like "Reverse Gangbang 19 - Nerds Get Laid".

Anonymous said...

This is what happens when you never get laid in high school..

radical2000 said...

AINT YO HAVE ANOTHA SHIRTZ?? OR IZ DAT YO PUNK KESA??

Jared said...

Dharma Babes are awesome. There's nothing like a fine-looking woman who will stare at blank walls with you and talk about the doctrine of non-self ;-)

Anonymous said...

omg! Fibers glowing different colors in a mosaic from a distance looks like a bunch of people then one guy and a bunch of girls then associations with those labels in memory then associations with that particular guy and memories and evaluation memories of what that guy has done in the past.

Mysterion said...

Nothing went on.

Your impressions (and mine) have limited, if any, relationship to reality. We look into a hall of mirrors filled with smoke.

Anonymous said...

Dear Nancy,

Call me crazy but hanging out with other people, however attractive they may be, does not make you a bad married person, Buddhist or otherwise.

cheers,
Some anonymous person

IceBucket said...

"We look into a hall of mirrors filled with smoke."

Do you enjoy cigars?

--IceBucket

Anonymous said...

I hope at least one of these girls gave you a "RUSTY TROMBONE"!

Carolyn said...

That's a great picture of you, looks like you may have had some fun... and I'd say you are entitled to some. Porno Buddhist would be an awesome title or subtitle!

Brian said...

Buddhist Pimp

Anonymous said...

Bimp

Anonymous said...

Continuing the vegetarian and
government-control threads...

If you are not a vegetarian,
then you are torturing animals
from a distance.

If you don't vote libertarian,
then you are torturing humans
from a distance.

It's all connected,
and intertwined.

Anonymous said...

Don't be such a negative nancy, nancy!

Mysterion said...
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Anonymous said...

cmon, bring it on home! you know (form/emptiness)

Mountaintop Rebel said...

Brad is a classic example of how the power of celebrity turns you into an insufferable cunt. When he came on the scene in any big way about 5 years ago, he was putting a lot of practical, down to earth teachings out there and talking in a funny but straightforward way that removed a lot of the obfuscation that traditionally accompanies Zen. Sure, he seemed a bit beholden to Nishimjima's authority, and sure, he was a little condescending, but he was a real breath of fresh air.

Then he gets semi-famous and suddenly he's acting like a jackass. He arrogantly attacks other teachers, but can take no criticism himself. He attacks other religions and philosophies as sources of conflict and authority but dishonestly pretends Zen is above all that. He keeps mouthing platitudes against authority and blind acceptance while accepting a core of admirers who hang on his words and defend and agree with everything he says. He calls his opinions in conversations "teachings", which is the height of douchebaggery, frankly. He constantly drops references to celebrities he hangs with and makes sure everyone knows that he's cool, and the beautiful people love him. He goes to stripper parties and then is like "What's the big deal? It's totally Buddhist to support the sex industry and party all night. But you can get offended if you want, it just shows how lame you are and how enlightened I am." In other words, Brad is turning into Chogyam Trungpa.

The same way Brad called Trungpa, and Ram Dass, and Alan Watts, and Cohen, and Wilbur, and plenty of others, out on their bullshit, I call Brad on his bullshit. He said you can't separate a teacher from his teachings; I agree. When you act like an obnoxious jerk and show about as much continence as a dog in heat, that's your business. When you're in every big bookstore in America telling people that this is the true dharma and they need to be down with it, people should confront that. It's not cos Brad's just too cool and we're too hung up on his private life and need to chill, I would say it's a similar impulse to the one Brad had when he rightfully took very public issue with shit like Zig Zag Zen, back before success put his head up his ass.

Looking forward to all Brad's groupies telling me how much more enlightened Brad is or saying some inapplicable Zen parable to pwn me.

Anonymous said...

Why do those who dislike Brad so much pay so much attention to him and spend so much energy bashing him?

Mountaintop Rebel said...

Why does Brad who criticizes other teachers have a problem with the same in reverse? Why are you on Brad's nuts? We could ask questions all day.

Anonymous said...

Jundo at Tree leaf had a good one today. Who could he be talking about?

====================

Here is my philosophy, in my own words ...



Do not confuse true independence with being unable to settle or connect ...

Do not confuse moving freely with wandering aimlessly ...

Do not confuse creative iconoclasm with drunken smashing ...

Do not confuse direct teaching and speaking with crude words and rudeness ...

Do not confuse honest opinion with angry expressions ...

Do not confuse balance with instability ...

Do not confuse drive with greed ...

Do not confuse inner fire with meaningless fireworks ...

Do not confuse steady emotions with being unemotional ...

Do not confuse love and sex with lust and ugliness ...

Do not confuse politeness with false or insincere manners ...

Do not confuse being kind and gentle toward people with being weak ...

Do not confuse being meek & mild in manner with lacking an iron core ...

Do not confuse being steadily focused with having wild swings of intensity ...

Do not confuse being pious and clear with insincere morality ...

etc. etc. etc.

Know the difference.





I wrote the following to a newcomer to Buddhism recently ...


Quote:


Buddhism is not about doing whatever you want, or whatever is pleasing. Our way is one that is helpful, loving and healthful in body and mind, for ourself and others (not two, by the way). You cannot be an "insulting and angry against people Buddhist." Sorry. It's like being a doctor who poisons his patients, a peace activist who shoots anyone who disagrees with him. It does not compute. While it is fine to be righteously angry against injustice or the fake, hypocritical, deceiving, harmful or the like in society or in the Buddhist world, it is not to be either angery against people or filled with undirected anger at the world. Know the difference.
.

It is okay to point out bullshit. But make sure your bullshit pointing is itself not bullshit.

That's my philosophy for all the "angry Buddhists" You don't like it, go grumble in your cave.

Gassho, Jundo

Mysterion said...
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Anonymous said...

Truly...what difference does it make to you people what Brad does or doesn't do?

Lone Wolf said...

Lucky! lol.

I'd show up to every single Zazen session if those hot girls were sitting with me each Saturday morning, even though I'd probably be starring at the wall fantasizing rather than doing actual Zazen.

Good luck with the interviews Brad. I could see you making a nice career being a journalist.

Gerry Gomez said...

Rebel has been to the mountaintop and he is "not worried about anything; [he] ain't fearing any man (not even Brad). [His] eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord."

Anonymous said...

Methinks Jundo doth protest too much. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts he was, and still is, quite bitter because Nishijima passed him up.

Mysterion said...

Nishijima didn't passed him up.

Brad had been there for YEARS when Jundo first appeared. Others had appeared before Brad and gone along on their way.

"to name a successor is not to reject another; it is to name a successor. When Nishijima named Brad successor, he did not reject Jundo; he only named a successor."

Anonymous said...

mysterion said,
"torture people by denying them access to medical care".

Huh?

That might make sense in the context of
CIA interrogators and their victims,
but, in general...

Not paying for someone else's medical care
does not equal
torturing them.

If you believe otherwise, mysterion,
you are more than welcome to pay my
doctor for my medical care. (If you
do not pay my doctor, then, by your
logic, you are torturing me -- or
maybe I should say that you are
torturing me with your "logic" ;)

---

Perhaps the American Medical Association
should be watched by Amnesty International.

In the US, only 16,000 new people per year
are allowed to study medicine at 126 medical
schools; thus the AMA controls the supply of
doctors in the US.

By controlling the supply of doctors,
the AMA artificially raises the price of
medical care, allowing doctors to live
very nicely and 47 million uninsured
others to live not so nicely.

Anonymous said...

If you have a problem, then YOU have a problem. I'm happy to see Brad's teachings really touching the nerves of YOUR problems. That is the teaching of revealing the 10,000 things. Pay attention! The hindrances reveal themselves.

"Guard your buttons all ye robots of emotions."

Y'all are fags!
(press press)

Anonymous said...

"to name a successor is not to reject another; it is to name a successor. When Nishijima named Brad successor, he did not reject Jundo; he only named a successor."

Which means...he didn't reject Jundo as a friend or human; he rejected him as a successor.

DB said...

Of Brad, mountaintop rebel wrote that he was originally "putting a lot of practical, down to earth teachings out there and talking in a funny but straightforward way that removed a lot of the obfuscation that traditionally accompanies Zen."

Well said. I've tried to figure out what it is I like about Brad's writing, and that's it exactly. Gary Gach also has the ability to say in plain language I can relate to what exactly it is that he finds valuable in this practice, but I prefer Brad's style most of the time.

With that said, some of what Jundo said in the quoted comment above gives me pause. Am I a fan of Brad or a fan of his teaching? I think there is value in the teaching that is separate and apart from the teacher. Brad can flip, flop, fly or flee at this point and I'll keep sitting zazen, but I'm still interested in hearing his take on the dharma.

I think the problem is that for most of us the only "contact" we have with Brad is filtered through his writing. I'm beginning to wonder how much his writing really is representative of who he is and what he's teaching.

Jinzang said...

Brad is a classic example of how the power of celebrity turns you into an insufferable cunt.

If you really think this, why complain or get upset? How he behaves is going to catch up with him. Just sit back and watch Brad crash and burn.

Brad's power to do or accomplish anything is limited to the assent that others give him. It's a voluntary association of like minded people. Nothing to worry about. Not your problem. Unless you make it so.

Mysterion said...

Anonymous said...
mysterion said,
"torture people by denying them access to medical carebr/>
Not paying for someone else's medical care does not equal torturing them.

I did not say anything about paying someone else's medical bill. I was speaking in overall philosophy not myopic self-interest.

Who builds hospitals and clinics? Doctors? (Nope - the community). Who builds schools, colleges, and universities? Students? (Nope - the community). Who builds the roads and bridges over which one must travel to get to schools, colleges, universities, and clinics and hospitals? The municipal bus company? (Nope - the community).

Sorry, but on final analysis, it takes a village idiot to vote for a libertarian.

TexMex Diner said...

Today's English Lesson.

G said...

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Is this healthy conversation or just a bunch of people who like to see themselves in the mirror?

Anonymous said...

you're pretty!

Mysterion said...
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Matt said...

Fellow fish, we are in a little pond, here. In the BIG bad world, Zen is small and Dogen Sangha is a small part of that small.


--word

the lone Ranger said...

Californication indeed!!!!!

I can't stop thinking about sex.

Anonymous said...

mysterion said,
it takes a village idiot to vote for a libertarian

mysterion,

Roads, hospitals, schools are indeed
wonderful public goods, but if they
are built by slaves then they are
not so good.

Taxes which are extracted under
threat of torture are just another
form of slavery (albeit more abstract
and thus more difficult for some, such
as yourself, to clearly see).

A "community" which forces individuals
to participate is corrupt to the very
core. You'll have to find some
voluntary way to pay for those roads,
hospitals, and schools, otherwise you
are just another mafia thug.

Rather than calling people names out
of arrogant ignorance, you might want
to consider educating yourself. The
economics of nonviolence is something
that might be of interest to those who
claim to live according to Buddhist
principles. Here's a good place to start:

Austrian economics

==================
Live and let live.
Live free or die.
==================

Perhaps you should get to know
Urukagina and Amagi.

Anonymous said...

The Zen Master throws out a hook to see who will bite.

Brad has caught several fish again! Some flail around quite wildly.

Two monks came to the river where a girl wanted to get across. The senior monk picked her up and carried her across the river and set her down. The monks continued their journey. Several hours later the junior monk said to the senior monk - I thought we weren't supposed to have contact with women. To which, the other monk replied - I set her down hours ago, are you still carrying her?

Back to the cushion.

Jared said...

Zen teachers (or anyone and any experience, I suppose) are supposed to act as mirrors so that we can see our own reflections. Whether Brad is virtuous or vituperrious shouldn't seem to matter much, since our own learning lies in the clarity with which we see the mirror, not the clarity with which the mirror reflects. While I agree that Zen teachers (or anyone for that matter) shouldn't purposefully mislead people, it is ultimately our responsibility to verify what we are taught.

I believe the Kalama Sutra ultimately sums up the spirit of Buddha's original teachings far better than anything else. A version can be found here:

http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/resources/kalama_sutra.html

grisom said...

Brad is a classic example of how the power of celebrity turns you into an insufferable cunt. ...

Then he gets semi-famous and suddenly he's acting like a jackass. He arrogantly attacks other teachers, but can take no criticism himself.


He's always had that tendency. Having followed Brad's web presence since long before his first book came out, I know for a fact that his writing has calmed way down over the years. I can't imagine where you got the opposite idea. Maybe you're comparing Hardcore Zen, the book, to his current web stuff? But that's apples and oranges; HCZ was filtered through editors.

Anonymous said...

"Back to the cushion."

Cliche nerd!

Anonymous said...

to anonymous (calling me a cliche nerd):

Thank you for your words!

Someday I will give them back to you.

Anonymous said...

Refraining from committing sexual misconduct/practising contentment

But I liked to be spanked. I like to be the spanker sometimes. I like it when my girlfriend bites my nipple really hard. When I orgasm and my girl slaps my face and bites my chest I like it. I like to lick her feet. I like to lick her ass and vice versa.

Colorless white teacher learns endlessly said...

In other news, I was sitting Zazen today and started a huge case of the giggles. I was minding my own non-mind, and here was this voice,"There is no Dana here, Only Zoul."

So there you go. I've got a demon inside me, which is way worse than lust, and guess what, Dana is one lusty possessed gal, so what's this mean?

During Mundo I had to ask, and My Roshi said, "Who you gonna call?"

Ghost Busters!

Colinski said...

Taxes = torture? That's hilarious!

And when did Brad become semi-famous?

And why does going to a PETA2 fundraiser equal insensitivity to marriage? Brad indicated nowhere that he was flirting or "misusing sexuality" in any way. He simply showed us a picture with some people who are essentially his coworkers. It's funny the impressions people get from this blog. If you actually came and sat some Saturday, you'd probably have a very different impression of him. ( I guess the zen thing to say now is: ) That impression would still be an illusion though.

Purple robe, purple robe!

Anonymous said...

colinski said...
Taxes = torture? That's hilarious!

Actually, it's not so funny if you're a
tax protester. Men with guns come to your
door, separate you from your family and
throw you into prison, where you are then
anally raped.

You might enjoy anal rape, but many
consider it just another form of torture.

Of course, if the US had a humane prison
system that allowed everyone the option of
solitary confinement (apart from violent
criminals), things would be a lot better.

Gregor said...

Jundo, was not talking about Brad in that quote -- it was in response to someone's question on the forum.

Also, Jundo was not concerned about being "passed up"; he wanted a different structure for Dogen Sangha.

Please check your facts on that. I think the record is pretty public.

Monksresolve said...

Brad,

Its really painful to see some of the comments people think are useful to post on your blog. I think its a brave thing you do on this blog and I admire you for it. I am very curious as to how it will develop. I admire that you take your detractors on directly(as if Zen could do it any other way). I wouldn't practice the path of (mahayana, I suppose)Zen if I didn't think it wasn't available to every human being and I don't know how some can think that only certain 'pure people' or 'pure situations' can be considered 'Zen'.

Your first book was able to break through to me while I was living on a hippy commune in Oregon because you seemed similar enough to me that I was intrigued because I trusted you. I am very thankful for that, its brought me worlds farther away from my misery. I'm from Cincinnati, OH which has its own set of problems but still shares the Ohio mentality of 'get out get out or sell out'.

So anyway, for many the internet is anonymity to say whatever they like without any repercussions(or so they think) so don't let that get you down. For those who try to level 'deeper' criticisms I think you are walking a unique path and and only you can truly assess yourself. Walking in the middle you unfortunately take flack from 'purists' and 'punks'.

Thank you Brad,
Taylor

Gregor said...

Good points Taylor -

It's too bad so many comments here are so divisive.

Mountaintop Rebel said...

Yeah, others are divisive but Brad's boss Spooky is a ray of fucking sunshine.

"I just said that all the Palestinians dying of smallpox is hopeful thinking for me. Sue me. It's a death cult not a civilization and them finally being wiped out by their buddy Saddam sounds like such a fitting end."

I'm sure Brad has some Zen reason that this is cool though.

spade said...

I cant help myself but to leave a comment here. The whole dwang thing is so utterly funny. Then again... the whole dwang thing about me having to make this comment is darn hilarious too.

And oh yeah! btw, tis is my 5th version of the comment, I had to run this through spell-check a couple of times you see =)

That's so dumb.

Anonymous said...

Colorless white teacher learns endlessly said...

"'There is no Dana here, Only Zoul.'"

she's a nimble little minx ;)

Phil said...

Hey Nancy, what exactly did Brad do wrong? He went out to a club with girls. Yes they are girls who pose naked on a website, but that's not what they were doing there. Also, Brad writes for that site, so really, he was essentially out with some co-workers.

Very honestly, his wife would have to have some pretty serious insecurities to be worried about that. I have a few friends on Suicide Girls as well. My girlfriend and I enjoy hanging out with them. Not engaging in debaucherous orgies; hanging out. They're just normal people.

Chad said...

Assumptions… I think that we need to sit more.